The expectation that we need more than 3 picks implies that every pick is a success. This years draft is shallow so why fill the list with players that are not likely to make it at AFL level. Surely that is not playing the odds. Next year the draft runs deeper so holding on to a few players this year who are on the fringe but provide some depth, is still better than replacing them with players who aren't likely to make it both in the short term and long term - as long as next year we move the fringe players on. It's about the pace of turn over, which we all agree has been too slow in the past.
I would also add we will have picked up 6 new players this year; 3 who can playimmediately, Thomas, Everitt and Docherty and 3 draft picks.

That's why I suggested several times we needed to trade to get earlier picks. We've brought in 3 players but at what cost and how much benefit can they bring to the side or more importantly can they help us get a flag?

Above all that, the question should be asked could we have done any better?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

We don't know as a fact but I'm interested in hearing from those that do (not think they do).......................Anyone?

I sure hope Thomas will be better for us than when we picked up Mcguane...Just got a bad feeling about this one....

Can always do better but question for me is did we do immeasurably better than last year
Did we clean out dead wood
Did we improve our playing list
Did we try to rectify some of our deficiencies

so let me get this straight.....psycho's knocking the list management, and his solution is to pass on Thomas, give away Yarran (and 20) and secure pick 6, so very kindly for Brisbane, the Eagles could then use 20 on Yeo instead of 31.

Eagles will be rapt, and we're down two quick, creative playmakers

is that right, or have I missed something?

You've definitely missed something.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

yeah obviously

I realise it was just a hypothetical, but the other problem with doing Yarran and #20 for #6 would mean that you'd need to replace Yarran on the list with another player meaning the deal effectively becomes Yarran and #20 for #6 and #69.

Bear in mind that Collingwood preferred to take a battler like Tony Armstrong as a delisted free agent rather than use pick #67.

Question then comes down to whether you think (as examples) you'd prefer a combination of Botempelli/Armstrong over say Dunstan/Yarran?...

Even so Psyche, you can't criticise the club for not doing trades you come up with yourself.

Without being in the inner sanctum we do know that we a) went hard for pick 1, which eventually was not traded. b) were one of around 4 clubs that put in serious offers for pick 2. Without knowing the details its hard to say whether we could have upped the offer to beat what GWS put on the table, and c) We were heavily into some big names including Tomlinson and Reid but for whatever reasons couldn't get them over the line.

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The essence of my point is that some people seem to be satisfied with our trade period. I'm not.

Is it really the best we could of done? I don't believe so, not even close. IMO it's just another example of the mediocrity that runs through the club.

I am not disappointed with the players selected but we need genuine A grade talent. We lack depth and quality. One reason we can't do deals is we have nothing to deal with. How is recruiting three recycled players going to help that?

The other question is where do the Hierarchy see our list? Is it ready to challenge, if not why get Thomas?

For once I would like to see us be proactive. Get some players like we did (they should be the cream on the cake) but we also need to build up a quality A grade group and the only way to that is through the draft and the higher the picks the better the chance.

As for Yarran, it doesn't matter who we mention its all hypothetical and I was offering only possible option but his name was on the table and no one even inquired. Sums up his value. No one wanted Casboult, Duigan, Robinson, Garlett, Lucas either. Just shows where our list is at IMO.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Did you read this post before pressing "submit" Psych?

Why didn't we trade for A-Grade talent..........................ohhhh........................we haven't got any.

Not sure what you're angry and frustrated about now? Why didn't someone trade their gold for our silver? Something like that maybe?

Anyway, this is boring.
We did O.K. and most marked us as having an "A" trading season.
I thought it was good without being great but you don't always get what you want. No one can.

How about we just rubbish Geelong instead, for missing out on Adams..............Losers.

As for Yarran, it doesn't matter who we mention its all hypothetical and I was offering only possible option but his name was on the table and no one even inquired. Sums up his value. No one wanted Casboult, Duigan, Robinson, Garlett, Lucas either. Just shows where our list is at IMO.

With the excemption of Yarran and possibly garlett those guys are fringe players... what do you expect to get for them? With the lack of top end quality in this years draft clubs would need a very good incentive to trade down.

p.s Do you guys think Chris Yarran would still be around a pick 6 in this yeas draft? (at his draft age)

Every club has fringe players or are Carlton unique?

Garlett a fringe player? Why not?

That's right. We need to go to the draft to get A grade talent. There is no other way for us. So we need to "package" deals to get better picks. We need to think outside the square.

We also need to draft because it can get A grade talent that last 10 years. The you can keep adding to it. By recruiting 27 year olds you need to replace them as well in 2-3 years. It means our talent pool & depth falls away quickly.

Every year we don't, we fall another year behind.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

That's stupid Harks. You're generally better than that.

The year before they got Caddy. A 10 year gun mid and they have been a top side. They have also gone to the draft with a lot more picks and added significant talent to their list.

They have then made the hard decision to "retire" some champions as they know to keep at the top they need to make hard decisions.

They are in the position now where they turnover 4-5 players a year and keep topping up the talent. Over the last few years they have lost names like Scarlett, Ablett, Ling etc and are still up the top. They are nowhere near perfect but they are so far ahead of us it isn't funny.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

No argument. Lists need ongoing replenishment even in a Premiership year.

We've covered the old ground and all the frustration in the world won't get us anywhere.
Relatively speaking a lot has changed at the footballing end of things at CFC which "should" make us better going forward.

You know the funny thing? I feel our list looks better balanced and rounded than it did with six extra players we had 2 months ago.
Who really knows what we'll eke out of the drafts this year but if we do nail even 2 of 6 as being 150 game players, we've done very well for this off-season.

Mick's not someone to hang onto players on a "let's see what happens basis" so I'd expect a similar attack on the list to what we had this year. We'll see.

We're talking about this year and my suggestion to you is that no one always gets what they want. How is that stupid?

Geelong wanted Adams. They wanted Adams bad. They did not get Adams. It happens doesn't it? ..........................even to wonder sides such as Geelong. Get it?

Can someone tell me how many players we got rid of over the last month and how many have been picked up by other clubs.