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kezza
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 8:46 am 
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Will we have any delistings today?
Rumour that Duigan will be delisted and someone has posted that Scotland will be too. (and redrafted as a rookie)
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dane
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kezza wrote:
Will we have any delistings today?
Rumour that Duigan will be delisted and someone has posted that Scotland will be too. (and redrafted as a rookie)


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-10-31/scotto-has-the-hunger

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kezza
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dane wrote:
kezza wrote:
Will we have any delistings today?
Rumour that Duigan will be delisted and someone has posted that Scotland will be too. (and redrafted as a rookie)


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-10-31/scotto-has-the-hunger

Interesting that is says this way we can have at least 3 picks in the ND. We must be looking at some delisted free agents as we have more than 3 spots on our list at present.
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rhino27
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:45 am 
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kezza wrote:
dane wrote:
kezza wrote:
Will we have any delistings today?
Rumour that Duigan will be delisted and someone has posted that Scotland will be too. (and redrafted as a rookie)


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-10-31/scotto-has-the-hunger

Interesting that is says this way we can have at least 3 picks in the ND. We must be looking at some delisted free agents as we have more than 3 spots on our list at present.


Out: Hampson, Betts, Laidler, McCarthy, Mitchell, Scotland (to rookie list), Joseph and Davies = 8
In: Thomas, Everitt, Docherty =3 which means 5 picks.
Rookie upgrades : Curnow and it's been mentioned that under terms of his contract we have to promote Bell. I hope that isn't true as he does not deserve a spot on our senior list IMO, but working on the assumption that it is true, that leaves us with three live picks at this point.
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kezza
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rhino27 wrote:
kezza wrote:
dane wrote:
kezza wrote:
Will we have any delistings today?
Rumour that Duigan will be delisted and someone has posted that Scotland will be too. (and redrafted as a rookie)


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-10-31/scotto-has-the-hunger

Interesting that is says this way we can have at least 3 picks in the ND. We must be looking at some delisted free agents as we have more than 3 spots on our list at present.


Out: Hampson, Betts, Laidler, McCarthy, Mitchell, Scotland (to rookie list), Joseph and Davies = 8
In: Thomas, Everitt, Docherty =3 which means 5 picks.
Rookie upgrades : Curnow and it's been mentioned that under terms of his contract we have to promote Bell. I hope that isn't true as he does not deserve a spot on our senior list IMO, but working on the assumption that it is true, that leaves us with three live picks at this point.

Cheers. That makes sense then. It will be interesting to see if the Duigan rumour is true or not.
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Michael Jezz wrote:
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Yep, we don't play as a team. We have no more or no less talent than Sydney. We are a group of individuals who don't understand the hard work that is required to be successful.

A 'she will be right approach, there is always next week' kind if deal..


Talent we have miles less. Kennedy, Hanneberry, O'keefe, Goodes, Jack, Tippett.
They have more talent across the board than us.
They are harder than us.
Compare there bottom 6 to our bottom 6
Look at the players that can't get in their best 22, they would walk into ours
You use the equal talent argument so you can point the finger at the coach and football department
You might consider what a million extra in salary cap is worth to your talent pool


Yes, and judging talent is more than just comparing player for player and comparing each respective player at their best. It includes consistency (often an innate trait), list balance and the age and durability of the players. At any rate, I have never considered Sydney as the benchmark. Carlton will never be in the same head-space as Sydney, we will have to find our own way to win and currently we aren't doing a very good job of it.

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Is today the last opportunity to delist players or is that following the National Draft ?
As yet no word on the likes of Laidler, Duigan, Ellard etc

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Clayman
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Blues want Duigan on the rookie list.

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Stamos
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Clayman wrote:
Blues want Duigan on the rookie list.


How do you figure?
He has not been delisted (as Scotty has).
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Stamos
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Is today the last opportunity to delist players or is that following the National Draft ?
As yet no word on the likes of Laidler, Duigan, Ellard etc


Laidler delisted, Duigan, Ellard not.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-1 ... st-changes
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rhino27 wrote:
kezza wrote:
dane wrote:
kezza wrote:
Will we have any delistings today?
Rumour that Duigan will be delisted and someone has posted that Scotland will be too. (and redrafted as a rookie)


http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-10-31/scotto-has-the-hunger

Interesting that is says this way we can have at least 3 picks in the ND. We must be looking at some delisted free agents as we have more than 3 spots on our list at present.


Out: Hampson, Betts, Laidler, McCarthy, Mitchell, Scotland (to rookie list), Joseph and Davies = 8
In: Thomas, Everitt, Docherty =3 which means 5 picks.
Rookie upgrades : Curnow and it's been mentioned that under terms of his contract we have to promote Bell. I hope that isn't true as he does not deserve a spot on our senior list IMO, but working on the assumption that it is true, that leaves us with three live picks at this point.

Makes nonsense out of the fact we had to delist so many to pay for our recruits in the trade period don't ya think......

It's clear we had to delist that many to get 3 picks in the draft which should be minimum every year

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Clayman
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Stamos wrote:
Clayman wrote:
Blues want Duigan on the rookie list.


How do you figure?
He has not been delisted (as Scotty has).


Duigan said NO!

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Can anyone confirm Ciaran Byrne's DOB ?
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Stamos
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Clayman wrote:
Duigan said NO!


So you reckon the Club didn't want him on the senior list, but when he wouldn't agree, we kept him on the snior list rather than delisting him? :eek:
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One assumes Duigan McInnes Ellard Lucas all on 1year extensions if they survive the remaining list lodgement deadlines
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kezza
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:53 pm 
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Bell and Curnow have been elevated to the senior list.
Only 3 picks in the ND is a bit disappointing.
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JS74
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:58 pm 
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Does this mean that we don't have room for a delisted free agent?
I can't believe Duigan remains given he played 3 games for the year.
Surely one good game doesn't warrant a contract extension, even if it was a final.
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Clayman
PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 2:05 pm 
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Stamos wrote:
Clayman wrote:
Duigan said NO!


So you reckon the Club didn't want him on the senior list, but when he wouldn't agree, we kept him on the snior list rather than delisting him? :eek:


Yes and I will spell it out for you:
Blues want Duigan on the rookie list
Duigan is clever and understands you get less $$$ on the rookie list
Duigan had a contract next year
Duigan was happy to go to the rookie list but wanted a payout
Duigan remains on the senior list
Blues want Duigan on the rookie list

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kezza
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JS74 wrote:
Does this mean that we don't have room for a delisted free agent?
I can't believe Duigan remains given he played 3 games for the year.
Surely one good game doesn't warrant a contract extension, even if it was a final.

The rookie elevations count as some of the required 3 ND picks so yes we can get a delisted free agent and only use ND picks and the 2 elevated rookies.
Agree with you about Duigan.
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Jez1966
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JS74 wrote:
Does this mean that we don't have room for a delisted free agent?
I can't believe Duigan remains given he played 3 games for the year.
Surely one good game doesn't warrant a contract extension, even if it was a final.


No choice on duigan as he is contracted next year....
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