I do remember many frothing at the mouth after Gysberts first couple of games.....

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

Not here on TC.

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I was one of them.

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There is no footy god

That's easy to say in the age of free agency but the draft is what it is and virtually all players these days were drafted by some team. One way or another, we've gone out of our way to make it about minimum rather than optimum requirements. That has to change.

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Our list looks balanced in regards to having key defenders, mids, forwards, rucks etc the problem is most of them aren't that good or barely able to hold a spot in our best 22 consistently.

There has to real question marks over Watson, Casboult, Rowe, Waite & White and there ability to contribute at a consistent level and into the future.

Our midfield is similar. Are names such as Curnow, Cachia, Armfield, Ellard, Lucas, Robinson, Scotland, Carrazzo, Bell, Buckley going to take us forward?

Others such as Yarran, Bootsma & McInnes, although showing some signs are yet to establish themselves. I also have my doubts about Kruezer & Warnock as genuine No.1 rucks who can carry as side to a flag.

IMO lots of question marks and a lack of genuine A grade talent and depth. Hopefully a number of the above names will step up but I can see us still turning over another 10-12 each year for at least the next 2 years.

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It's a team game and the best team generally wins. I find it funny that people on this site hold up Sydney as a great example of who to draft yet pick our players to bits. Sydney has many good ordinary players (not A graders) who perform their role in the team well. Hence they play as a team and win.We have enough talent if the game plan enables them to play to their strengths and they play at their best.

Yep, we don't play as a team. We have no more or no less talent than Sydney. We are a group of individuals who don't understand the hard work that is required to be successful.

A 'she will be right approach, there is always next week' kind if deal..

We have to change our game plan for 2014 this to me is no 1 priority and then to increase our fitness and strength.

Talent we have miles less. Kennedy, Hanneberry, O'keefe, Goodes, Jack, Tippett.
They have more talent across the board than us.
They are harder than us.
Compare there bottom 6 to our bottom 6
Look at the players that can't get in their best 22, they would walk into ours
You use the equal talent argument so you can point the finger at the coach and football department
You might consider what a million extra in salary cap is worth to your talent pool

How do you explain the gulf in performance in 2011 then? We were better in every measurable way.
They obviously overtook us in 2012, and the injury toll of both sides had a big bearing on that.

Sydney are a better club and a better team, but it's not due to miles more talent.

No more or no less talent than sydney, kidding yeah??
Got flogged in the semi and we were playing the swans 2nds...
They have talent ALL over the park, we have about 8/10 quality players..
Made a prelim without Tippett and Reid, also no goodes, no LRT,
no shaw, list goes on, now buddy joins...
We are not even in the same league as the swans.....
They lose mummy, white, lamb and everitt, reckon they care that much, doubt it..
All there injuries from last year come back, white and everitt probably miss out anyway..
Pick 32 for everitt, pick 35 for mummy, no doubt they will pick up young guns with those picks..
Whilst at carlton we have Waite, Rowe, Watson, white and casboult!!!!!
We do have Henderson and Jamison though....
Swans vs blues list, yep no different in regards to talent....
Please..
Let's not even look at each teams midfield, could get very embarrassing..
We have a long way to go

Forgot,
We have a plethora of players with amazing skills....
Speed, vision, hard at the ball and tackling all the strengths to win
us a flag, we are close people!!!!!!

I wholeheartedly agree with both. Being at the semi-final really showed to me how well organised a team in Sydney is. Mick, I have faith, will get them there.

Incidentally, hearing Mick flew to Port Douglas to successfully recruit Everitt reinforced the idea that he will do what it takes to get the right team together (I did also note Everitt is another introvert on his showing on CFC TV! whichay frustrate Mick)

Bingo

Totally agree.

Synchronise ...and we'll shit it in. I forgot about injury and Carlton FC since 2002 goes hand in hand.

We need a bit of luck too.

We do have the talent...IMO.

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Historical angst seems consistent with being a mediocre side in the past 4-5 years (or slightly better) ie 4 top 8 finishes in 5 years; no top 4 finishes. Im no sure whyt people are surprised by that or slashing their wrists yet again - we all saw;

- continued drafting of flankers and pockets
- continued limited use of the draft suggesting overconfidence in the list
- minimal trades particularly to leapfrog draft order

So why the surprise?

Now Malthouse has a year where he cuts a bit harder and tries to get 30-34 AFL quality players, perhaps more, to give more depth in defensive running roles which seems to go to the clear list and playing flaws we had in 2013....

It all seems pretty logical and on plan.

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If you turnover another 10-12 players each year over the next 2 years you are essentially turning the whole list over. That's probably a little dramatic don't you think?

Yep. Team game & talent we have. Just need the coach (Ratten probably couldn't > Mick NEEDS to do it) put it together. These next 2 years are crucial for this footy club.

No room for positivity on here.
Wheels have fallen off.

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..need genuine team first philosophy.. ..we're starting to get it, but we were so far back in this regard that it will take a couple of seasons to put it together under Malty.. ..we do have a core of players that do play that 'finals footy' week in week out.. ..they're not all the top talented, we have some in there and we have some battlers/soldiers in that finals footy group.. ..but these are the ones i'd be backing in.. .... ..once the majority follows these we'll improve dramatically..

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Been saying it for years. Footy is played 90% above the shoulders.
Get it right up there and the team gels. We have been soft mentally though. Big improvement needed.