Levi's kicking just not effective enough. Wouldn't get a game for any other club and only on the list due to poor KPP recruitment/development.

The Irish are often beautiful kicks because they are a blank canvas. Their motor skills are developed. Their hands are big enough to handle the ball easily. They are taught by experts. They dont have any bad habits ingrained into their kicking mechanism. Many of our youngsters are taught by Mum and Dad coaches who often dont have the resources or sometimes the capability to remedy poor kicking actions. Often kids who are poor kicks are ignored as their coaches often are time poor and they cant spend large amounts of time on one or two players. Players like Levi have had a terrible technique for years. When they are under pressure, they will revert to what's instinctive. Can you change that instinctive action? I would have thought so but I'm not seeing any evidence of it..

As for Warrick Capper, I agree 2nd Effort, he had a poor technique. But the end result is what really matters. As ugly and ungainly as it appeared, the ball usually ended up in the correct position at the point of impact. With Levi it can be vertical, diagonal, whatever. That's what makes him a poor kick. He cant control the ball onto his boot.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

I think you could change it BV but it would mean 9I think) that he would have to kick the new way every time - for a prolonged time...that means no game time until the new technique is set otherwise he'll just confuse everything shifting between the two. So treat it as a knee - 12 months off, just work on the kicking. Then see.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

He's only got one pre-season left now to turn it around.

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I just want my old club back ... (edit) maybe I have!

There are at least another 10 who potentially have one more season;

Ellard
Buckley
White
Lucas
Judd
Laidler
Cachia
Scotland
McInnes
MClean

I can understand Judd and Scotland being there as they are at the end of their careers, McLean and McInnes? Nah, i don't think they belong on this list. I would be adding Waite to the list though.

I continue to be bemused by the opinion of McInnes around here

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draft/trade as many good mids as possible and when overflowing with good mids trade 2/3 of them to another club for one quality KPP in their early 20's - quicker than drafting an 18yo kpp and waiting 5 or 6 years for him to develop

I for one am concerned about his future, he needs to have a big pre season and to incease his aerobility because his only 190cm,so if he does not have good 2014 could be on trade table.(mclnnes).

After the draft this year we will have 16 first round draft picks on our list........

1 - Walker - pick 2 in 2003
2 - Menzel - pick 11 in 2012
3 - Murphy - pick 1 in 2005
4 - Gibbs - pick 1 in 2006
5 - Judd - pick 3 in 2001
8 - Kreuzer - pick 1 in 2007
9 - Lucas - pick 12 in 2009
10 - Watson - pick 18 in 2010
13 - Yarran - pick 6 in 2008
14 - McLean - pick 5 in 2003
21 - Bootsma - pick 22 in 2011
23 - Henderson - pick 8 in 2009
39 - Thomas - pick 2 in 2005
? - Everitt - pick 11 in 2006
? - Docherty - pick 12 in 2011
? - ???????? - pick 13 in 2013

Granted at least couple of these players have not yet played good enough footy to justify their selection number.

Apart from GWS getting about 8 out of the first 10 picks a couple of years ago I wouldn't think there is another side with as many high picks to choose from.

Surely with this number of high draft picks and continued development we should progress next year and beyond.

EFA thanks AK43

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Doesn't every team get a first round draft pick?

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"I had to eat"

You missed Lucas.

Yes but many sides by comparison had picks as high as 26 in their first round in recent years. I guess to be more precise I should have said not many sides have as many high first round picks except the emerging sides like GWS and Gold Coast. We have 3 no 1's, 2 no 2's, 6 in top 3 and 9 in top 8. Includes no 1 and 2 from 2005.

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“Before you criticise someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticise them, you're a mile a way and you have their shoes."

I don't think there would be many sides with 13+ first round picks on their list, apart from GWS/GC.
All teams get a 1st round pick but not many keep them all for 13yrs...
This doesn't automatically make us better.
However, I reckon any kid picked in first round has talent/skills which is a part of what has been letting us down.
The other part is attitude and the final part game plan. Attitude is up to the players with input from Mick and game plan is up to mick but now, he should have a lot more of the team he wants to execute his plan.
We'll know 10 games in to 2014 whether I have my head in the sand or whether some others on here are too pessimistic.

Way to many people overate our list....
Happy with the additions of Thomas, docherty and everitt...
Can these players take us all the way,
Rowe, casboult, bootsma, Lucas, curnow, McLean
Ellard, Watson, white, mcInnes, bell and armfield...
Don't think so......
I understand you can't delist 20 players, but we do have
a long way to go...
Waite is lucky to play 10 games a year, maybe 1/2 years left
at best, then what????
Can Watson hold down a key defensive post??? Don't think so...
We need 2 key forwards and another key defender, along with
3/4 more mids....
But we are starting to get somewhere with our list and coaching
staff...
ATM for me,
Simpson Jamison tuohy
Docherty ????? Walker
Thomas Gibbs yarran
Garlett Henderson ?????
Everitt ????? Menzel
Kreuzer judd murphy
From; Graham warnock Scotland
Robinson carrazzo pick 13.

-Waite is finished, if he is not injured he is suspended....
-Watson needs to improve a lot if he is going to make it,
Can he hold down the second key forward, sorry but don't
think he can..
-judd, Simpson, Scotland and carrazzo have 1 maybe 2
years left, few holes to fill...
-graham and menzel will be ready next year, both boys
will be good players for us..
-Buckley and temay need another year to see if they will make it..
-pick 13 best available, Cam McCarthy is a key forward, 2nd best
behind Boyd, may still be there, but I am hoping for Ben Lennon..
-pick 39, Mitch thorp, key forward who is ready to go now...
Just my thoughts,
People please don't overate our list, but we are starting to get our hands
and heads around what is needed at our club, will take time though...

So it is:

Out:
Davies
Joseph
Mitchell
McCarthy
Hampson
Betts

Laidler?
Duigan?

Dale
O'Keefe
Collins

In:
Thomas
Everitt
Docherty

Bell (Rookie)
Curnow (Rookie)

Pick 13
Pick 39
Pick 51

And at least a couple of rookie selections since Cachia is currently the only player on that list, yes? Or am I wrong in that Bell and Curnow get another year on the rookie list?

So only the 3 'live' picks in the draft?

Curnow and Bell will be elevated (Curnow due to AFL rules and Bell due to the contract he signed last year).

At least 1 of Laidler and Duigan will be delisted, quite possibly both. If it's only 1, then my guess is we will take 4 ND picks and 4 rookie picks, and have a 39/5 senior/rookie split (we had 38/6 this year, although 40/4 is the standard).

How many 1st rounders would Collingwood have after this year?
They've tanked and traded well over the last ten years.

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I look at our list and have a genuine question. How many of our list would of made the Best 22 of Hawthorn or Freo this season?

Gibbs, Henderson, Simpson, Murphy maybe Judd, Walker, McLean or Tuohy?

Not many. The more I look at our list the further behind the Top 4 I believe we are let alone a Premiership.

Given I think Collingwood, North & possibly Essendon* will improve next year we have a lot of ground to make up.

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IMO Lucas is assessed wayyyy too harshly here.
He had a good season in 2013 before fading late, (as many young players do).
It would not surprise me in the least if he's better again in 2014.

In other news ... ( ) ... I noticed that Gysbert, (whom Melbourne used the Brock pick to get), has been delisted by Nth. Of course there's no guarantee that we would've used the pick to get the same player. I do think that the draft is overrated though. A lot of kids don't make it.