Melbourne would take him.

Definitely worth it.

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HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Good teams stand for excellence and success
The whistler is incorrect... we stand for mediocrity. There is nothing positive that defines us.
We lack ideas.
Our supporter base is alienated.
We have muppets in charge.
We hope Collingwood has our answers cos we sure as hell dont have any.

What do we stand for? We stand for taking collingwoods scraps and being average.

Of course every club has a defining status.
What did we stand for when we were Great???

Excellence
Innovation
Success

Dont kid yourselves ....

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You started off naming yourself blues back 2003 then 2005... you quickly stopped updating when you thought we would be back.

i admire your patience and your loyalty to nothingness.
I admire that you can see something in 18 and especially 10 years of pain.
Someone who has had the message sold to him for good...

However some of us are not as happy as you .

We dont all love average performances and a club sinking down the gurgler

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trade 32 for docherty and 33 for bruce

BANG !

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

oh wait - probably cant afford them both

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

As usual with you, there's just no middle ground - you either think it's all doom and gloom and that the club is a basket case, or you are happy and think things are going along swimmingly.

Anyway, I am far too experienced to get sucked into a back-and-forth on here with you!

Maybe we can catch up at training over pre-season or something - just like old times!

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We have just IMPROVED our team by ATTRACTING the best player on the market aside from the obviously unattainable Franklin - Dale Thomas. Which other team has added a player of Thomas' quality over the free agency/trade period so far?

We also seem to have ATTRACTED the attention of Sam Docherty, a promising youngster who two years ago was taken at pick 12.

Thomas, Docherty, a first round pick and a second round pick. If that's what we end up with, is that too bad a result?

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id love to mate... really...!!!

but as for middle ground.... middle ground is not good enough

middle ground is for the likes of richmond....

shits me that we look for middle ground

if you want to have the club succesful... there can be no middle ground...
we can only aim for excellence!!!
something we havent been doing and it shows.

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yep... and they've probably played less than thirty games between them

Is Thomas the best player on the market? FA, yes but on the market I doubt. Its about value for money and how it effects everything else we do. By taking him we lost a pick for Betts, gave Collingwood pick 11 and pushed us back to pick 13.

Taylor Adams wanted to return to Melbourne and Dom Tyson as well. Last year Josh Caddy. All extremely talented ten plus year players.

I think Thomas at his best is elite but at 27 and with injury concerns how much is he going to help us? In a lot of ways we have effectively put our eggs in one basket. IMO that is poor List Management.

I am confident Docherty will be a very good player and am happy to have him. Never settled in Brisbane and had some injury issues.

Its not just about this year its about the last 5, 10, 15 years.

Our list lacks depth and class. We are trying to have 4-5 picks in the ND. Great, but one inside top 30 doesn't fill me with much confidence especially in a draft that is considered weak after about pick 20. Pick 13 should be a very good player. How has our record been with those latter picks recently?

For me it's not about being a bit better or being a Top 8 side. Its about the next great Carlton side and winning Premierships. IMO these deals don't help achieve that.

I hope you're right and I'm wrong but the club gives me the impression of being dysfunctional and with no real plan. Nothing I've seen so far seems to suggest otherwise.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I don't mean to come across as a sunshine up jacksy blowing kind of guy but I cannot disagree with anything that you state above. All of your posts are both accurate and truthful. It is unfortunate that this is the case as I'd rather that our opinions were those of babbling fools.

Come on Carlton get your flower act together and snap out of this drunken stupor. I'm sick of feeling that there is no hope and I want my 13 and 14 year old children to enjoy some of what I felt in the 70's, 80's and the 90's.

I'm also sick of spending half my life on here and that other site searching for that elusive snippet of golden news to get me through my day...week...month or year...........it rarely comes these days! (I love this site but it is also my weakness.) It used to be that I had Carlton and the Australian Cricket Team to hang my hat on. I was the happiest bloke around. One or even better on occasion both would be filling my sail with something so special that I cannot find the words for. A sports junkie....YES! But the success of my addictions gives me my life-force........I DESPERATELY NEED A FIX!!!
Today I'll settle for the Hockey. Come on "The Hockeyroos" and "The Kookaburra's"!

And COME ON CARLTON 2014 and beyond! I dare you to be great!

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"The Ox is Slow but the Earth is Patient" and don't forget it!

I fully sympathize with your passion.

Nothing will happen until the entire board is wiped out....

have u considered ......... The Victory???

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Ahhh yes Sinbad.

I watched them pull back that 2 - nil leed the other night and it was a great game....one that the ref and linesman managed to spoil.

Looks like it could be a better year than last. Great that it is on the free to air television.

Go Victory!

See we got up in India in the 3rd One day game thanks to Faulkner's 30 off one over from Sharma.
It's not test cricket but I'll take it.

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if our TPP is tight it seems ludicrous to me that we'd leave Scotto to make his own decision whether he plays on

Absolutely, we should be making the call with our future in mind.
Think we should throw our hat in the ring for J.Bruce with our current 2nd rounder/compo pick. I could imagine why we want to get a swap of 3rd rounders with Brisbane/Docherty which would give us back a pick in the 40's then.
Our 1st rounder for Jaksch or Tomlinson & Bruce?
That would be 3 x 1st round selections in 1 draft/trade period (& a pre-selection pick).

I agree.
I just don't have the patience to type it out so eloquently.

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macavaney?

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It very much depends how far you see the team from a genuine flag push and the quality of the kids coming through that draft year.

Personally I've NFI where the team is anymore as it depends on how malthouse gels the team/adapts his game plan. It didnt work well last year and our performances were jekyll/hyde like. If we go for the traditional malthouse game style then we need to turn over a lot of players/will take a bit more time.

I'd probably have preferred to not have picked up thomas and taken the extra 1st round pick due to age profile (18yo v 27yo) and the injury history that thomas has had in recent times (high risk).

One of those 1st rounders could potentially have been used to push ourselves deeper into the top 10 (see collingwood nabbing pick 6 from WCE) and the extra cap space could have been used to lure a younger player (<23) via a player trade via offloading a non-core player that could contribute to another club (robinson as an example)

Soccer? I did the soccer thing about 10 years ago and yet now the game bores me to tears. No matter how much they hype it up I realised I only liked it cause the crowd seemed animated (re EPL) but once you realise all games are either draws, decided by dubious penalties (eg that final Brisbane won where the guy tripped over), or just plain dull and slow then one realises that the game is a bit of a con as a form of entertainment.

American sports are better entertainment....but still a bore compared to Aust. Football....but I guess if soccer takes your mind off the recruitment woes of Carlton it has to be a good thing.