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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 5:16 pm 
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I get more annoyed by the people that ask questions that they know can't and won't be able to be answered candidly than the person being asked the question.

should people ask stck quest ions that have stock answers then???.... im expecting you can answer this candidly....

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 6:21 pm 
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I also heard Swan saying that they "will let Scotland" decide to play another another year.

A strong Premiership club would make the decision themselves and advise Scotland to retire this year.


and you think thats the reality, we're waiting for Scotland to decide?


Brad - that's the reality. Again...sad but true.


Isn't it dependant on salary cap and finding a replacement?

Equally as sad, but different.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:21 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
I also heard Swan saying that they "will let Scotland" decide to play another another year.

A strong Premiership club would make the decision themselves and advise Scotland to retire this year.


and you think thats the reality, we're waiting for Scotland to decide?


Brad - that's the reality. Again...sad but true.


Not what I heard Doc.... Scotland was asked to play on, then received a call a few days later and told to hang on until further notice..


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:50 pm 
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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Isn't it dependant on salary cap and finding a replacement?


No. Obvious replacement would be Docherty, but Scotto has another fortnight to make up his mind. He's had his ankle checked out and I doubt that'd be a problem. Becomes a problem if he injures it again, but he's gotta make sure the desire is still there to go another year. I think he does. But the choice is his.

Salary cap is nigh impossible to stuff up these days because clubs send in an estimate total player payment list to the AFL at the end of November with only PSD and rookie additions to add. So you can't really stuff it up.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:52 pm 
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Exactly CM - the club is waiting on trades to make a call on Scotto.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 8:55 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Exactly CM - the club is waiting on trades to make a call on Scotto.


We beg to differ.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 9:56 pm 
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I'd like to see some accountability from our CEO. The second year in a row and our movements in trades and FA have been minimal at best. Our list management of late has been pathetic, and tough decisions have not been made by the football department. From the outside, we don't seem to have a list management strategy. We've been crying out for a key forward for years, and still cannot either develop or bring one in from another club. Our midfield depth has been an issue for 2 years, and have failed to adequately build it and replenish it. Scotland, Simpson, Judd, Mclean, all retiring in the next 2 to 3 years, at best. The premiers see a need and they trade for it - they give up something to get something. It appears we are risk averse and are slow to make moves - Greg Swann WTF???

Decisions made on Carrazzo, Waite, et al have seriously hamstrung us for the past two trading periods.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 18, 2013 10:08 pm 
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Good post.

The CEO is the key operator at football clubs. Cooke Pert Gale etc.

There are no driving continual sustained innovations and ideas coming from our club.

We appear to be reactive with no clear plan to achieve a premiership.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:36 am 
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I'd like to see some accountability from our CEO. The second year in a row and our movements in trades and FA have been minimal at best.


Really?

http://www.afl.com.au/trade-period/trade-tracker/

We seem to figure on here more than a few clubs, on top of us de-listing a number of players, Docherty is a mere formality. How is that minimal?

You can say our list management has been poor, but it hasn't been minimal this year.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 5:41 am 
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DocSherrin wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Isn't it dependant on salary cap and finding a replacement?


No. Obvious replacement would be Docherty, but Scotto has another fortnight to make up his mind. He's had his ankle checked out and I doubt that'd be a problem. Becomes a problem if he injures it again, but he's gotta make sure the desire is still there to go another year. I think he does. But the choice is his.

Salary cap is nigh impossible to stuff up these days because clubs send in an estimate total player payment list to the AFL at the end of November with only PSD and rookie additions to add. So you can't really stuff it up.


So Scotland has a lifeline until the Docherty deal is finalised.

I don't think I said we were going to stuff up the salary cap, but either there is room for Scotland or there isn't. I thought it was dependant on the effect other moves we make have on our cap.

No doubting you have the inside sources Doc so my understanding must be wrong.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 7:25 am 
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Wangers wrote:
I'd like to see some accountability from our CEO. The second year in a row and our movements in trades and FA have been minimal at best. Our list management of late has been pathetic, and tough decisions have not been made by the football department. From the outside, we don't seem to have a list management strategy. We've been crying out for a key forward for years, and still cannot either develop or bring one in from another club. Our midfield depth has been an issue for 2 years, and have failed to adequately build it and replenish it. Scotland, Simpson, Judd, Mclean, all retiring in the next 2 to 3 years, at best. The premiers see a need and they trade for it - they give up something to get something. It appears we are risk averse and are slow to make moves - Greg Swann WTF???

Decisions made on Carrazzo, Waite, et al have seriously hamstrung us for the past two trading periods.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 8:47 am 
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1 player isn't going to turn around a team. Good acquisition if fit. The list is the 2nd oldest in the afl I read recently. So we have traded Hampson for a draft pick and brought in a free agent and lost one in betts. Considering our needs that's minimalist activity. Docherty isn't over the line, however, lets hope that's a formality.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 19, 2013 1:47 pm 
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we have a footy dept boss andy mckay.... he seems to be there quite anonymously..... though he has a name...

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 10:59 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:

We appear to be reactive with no clear plan to achieve a premiership.


Didn't you like the Blue Print? Thought we copied the Hawks well.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 11:45 am 
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It's all in here guys:

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/staticfile/ ... eprint.pdf

And yes, as you'd imagine, they are failing to deliver on this plan quite remarkably. Good on them for keeping it on their website though: most people would be so embarrassed by this they would have pulled it down long ago.

I particularly like the INNOVATION slide. Did the board or the executive even read this? The whole thing is like a Year 11 Business Management assignment... one that you'd score in the low 70's.

Pitiful. Truly pitiful.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:13 pm 
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Two premierships by 2015!

Better start celebrating boys. BACK TO BACK IN 2014 AND 2015!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:15 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
It's all in here guys:

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/staticfile/ ... eprint.pdf

And yes, as you'd imagine, they are failing to deliver on this plan quite remarkably. Good on them for keeping it on their website though: most people would be so embarrassed by this they would have pulled it down long ago.

I particularly like the INNOVATION slide. Did the board or the executive even read this? The whole thing is like a Year 11 Business Management assignment... one that you'd score in the low 70's.

Pitiful. Truly pitiful.



...and good on them for using both spelling variants of the past tense of 'focus'.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:25 pm 
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Nick wrote:
Two premierships by 2015!

Better start celebrating boys. BACK TO BACK IN 2014 AND 2015!!!


Well if you want to nitpick (and anyone who has set performance goals for themselves knows that the devil is in the details) they say "2 Premierships by 2015" not "2 Premierships by the end of 2015". So they should have one already, and be looking to win the second one next season.

If I thought it would do any good I'd bring a copy of this to the AGM and ask for a report on how they feel they have performed subject to their own stated goals. Not just the ridiculous 2 premierships promise, but on the whole 'blueprint'. But the board and executive are somewhere between incompetent and just taking the piss, and to be honest I'm not sure if I'd be able to get anything out other than "this blueprint... it's really pathetic, you know that don't you? Please tell us that this isn't your best effort at defining a vision and goals for the organisation. Please."


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JohnM wrote:
It's all in here guys:

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/staticfile/ ... eprint.pdf

And yes, as you'd imagine, they are failing to deliver on this plan quite remarkably. Good on them for keeping it on their website though: most people would be so embarrassed by this they would have pulled it down long ago.

I particularly like the INNOVATION slide. Did the board or the executive even read this? The whole thing is like a Year 11 Business Management assignment... one that you'd score in the low 70's.

Pitiful. Truly pitiful.


I've not seen that before and despite my generally negative feelings about the way the club is run I'm in something of a state of shock.

That's truly appalling.

I'm just @#$%&! embarrassed.

Starts badly, gets worse and never recovers.

Just a large pile of shit really.

And do they think spelling "promise" as "promiise" means you don't have to keep it?

So incredibly depressing.

The Eddie McGuire's of this world must see that sort of thing and piss themselves.

Wes Lofts once mentioned that the football public don't realise that football clubs aren't professional organizations equivalent to businesses of a similar size but are more like local amateur community groups. He was right at the time but since then a number of clubs have made the leap. That document shows more than anything else I've seen that we're a long way from being one of them.

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PostPosted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 12:58 pm 
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If docherty is to replace Scotland, then we havent improved our depth. I thought that he was being recruited to add to our midfield.


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