The scary part is that Carrots is tied up until end of 2015 isn't he (f we get the same output as this year then that's a major concern - calf injury, the old man's injury as they say)?
Waite's 3yr deal is the end of this year.

Scotland (this year?) and Judd maybe end of next year as well and the older gen are on the way out but we'll have a lot of players in the 24/25 year age bracket that need to take the reigns (Gibbs, Henderson, Kreuzer, Garlett, Yarran, Robinson, Tuohy) while the next age bracket bunch above become the "senior" players (Walker, Thomas, Murphy, Jamison, Warnock, McLean).

We really should be striking next year with the age/games demographic that we have with a fit list. Ages as of the end of 2014.

FB 26. McInnes (22) 40. Jamison (28) 6. Simpson (30)
HB 42. Tuohy (25) 10. Watson (22) S.Docherty (21)
C 1. Walker (28) 4. Gibbs (25) D.Thomas (27)
Foll 11. Warnock (27) 5. Judd (31) 3. Murphy (27)
HF 13. Yarran (24) 23. Henderson (25) 2. Menzel (20)
FF 38. Garlett (25) 30. Waite (31) 8. Kreuzer (25)

hold on.... i get it!!!!!

correct me if im wrong

but u guys believe judd chose cartlton as his club of choice because he loved the club ...

and he was on (harker called it on 900k)....

salary cap
3rd party agreements
promo

he was wayyyyyyyy over that

so yeah he took a hit.... and he might be on say 750k now

which is way down on over 1.3 mill

is this what you guys are getting mixed up about?
it is isnt it???

u guys truly think he chose us because were a cool club and the huge package he was on had nothing to do with it

packkage because it included a number of income segments.. some of which he isnt getting next year

yes i know its confusing..........but try and get your small minds around it...

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All 4 clubs in the hunt would have thrown the $$$$ around.
I would have thought that his choice would have boiled down to who could get the deal done.

by the way... because youre sooooooo into what the journalists told us in that article.

show me where they tell us what he was on and what he is on now.

just im trying to work in with u here.....

where does swann. and the jounrlaists actually give us a monetary value $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$4 saved!!!

come on... im sure its there..... go dig it up and get back to me...

im always up for a giggle....

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youre wrong

he came to us because he was a champion for the environment.. and visy gave him that opportuinity

no good having a hybrid car is you cant be an environental warrior

in fact his whole life has been dedicated to the environment...


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/secret ... 1119003118

u see???

he gives talks about recycling...


he always wanted to do that and carlton gave him that opportunity

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/a ... 29fo0.html

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/h ... 2f26z.html

Choo...???

find me actual data of how much is saved by the club in definitive salary cap savings and stop playing the devils advocate...

im sick of wobbly necks asking me to prove things... now its time for you blokes to begin PROVING things.....
now find me how much $$$$$$$$$$$$$ the cut saved the club in the total salary cap.... or STFU!!!!

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Just to clear up Synbad - Judd will now reportedly be on 500-600k apparently after a 40% pay cut.

wait where is that proven???

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Who needs proof when we have opinions? That's the way it works doesn't it?

Anyway, chances are Judd may not be with us in 2015 if he can't rate somewhat higher next season, than he did this season.

The problem we have will be to keep the players who will become RTF or just simply out of contract.

Judd may have no choice but to retire gracefully. Not sure why we should begrudge him that. I think he's been a pretty good servant at our club.

..from what I understand the big paycut was off total, blues plus 3rd party..

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..also Judd chose Pratt, luckily he was our prez..

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You are using newspaper articles so will I ....

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/j ... 2jaqv.html

8 million dollars and u can dress people in a skirt and ake them your bitch

so why wont he be playing 2015 u reckon???

and what do u think hes on 2014???

get the drift???

ok cut to the chase
he is pretty crap......and youre hoping he will improve

s0 whats he on for 2014????

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Nah...all lies woof...
I find the constant attack of Judd's output and concerning on what our supporters are becoming.

You know what? I'm not embarrassed to say that I really don't know.

I can pretend I do and take the club on face value but if push comes to shove, I, you, and many others outside of Judd and a privileged few really have any idea at all.

The language coming out of the club was saying exactly what has been put forward here already.........Now what?

Didn't know we set out to discuss his value. I may have missed the boat on that one and it does make for another story.

yes but where is the dollar value???

dont u undersatand???... i wanna know dollars and cents from miss lane.

gets cut... yes we know he got a cut... his 3rd party had to be paid inside the TPP
and he cant get paid the huge salary cap cheque and also have monies in the injury allowance too...
Plus he got a couple of hundred for the promo face

The guy was making it hand over fist from every direction

so we know no more 3rd party
the injury allowance surely cant be sustained
(thats 300k just there)

ok take off 200k from salary cap and thats a 5 hundred thousand dollar cut

big cut by anyones reckoning....

but the guy was on massive bux

and our salary cap is chockers

anyway nice artice woof....

how about a break down and precise dollars..

now hear up..... some of you are getting very juddy sensitive... am i having a go at your boyfriend????....

furtherore... if he saw u on fire along chapel street he wouldnt piss on u to put the fire out

when we have nothing as a club...and nothing defines us... a decorated mercenary we do have,,

your priorities are all askew....

its something that seems to be happening from the top to bottom with our club.....

howabout you guys get over your udd sensitivities and begin to demand some excellence!!!...

when the club is more about excellence and now some plastic idolartry we might begin to get somewher

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Are you hearing this???

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harks how the hell can u say that youre not u dont know.. but earlier you talk about what he would or wouldnt be on???

whats this bets each way????

u said he wouldnt be on 800k...anyore and might not play in 2015.. and did u mention 500k????

actualy i know hes our highest paid player for 2014.. i asked a q direct and was told so from someone who would know.

but i am waiting on samantha lanes break down of the judd cut

yes i know the articles are all ambiguous if you care to scratch the surface.....but i want to know what makes people here believe in certain numbers... numbers like $500k....
what is it if it was never mentioned???

youre hypnotised like the cobra and the bombay flute player right??

try and pay attention...

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UNDER HIS PHOTO IN THE ARTICLE IT STATES THAT HE IS TAKING A HUGE PAY CUT ON HIS CURRENT 1 MILLION DOLLAR DEAL.
THE ARTICLE THEN SAYS A SOURCE WHO SHOULD KNOW (I READ AS HIS MANAGER) IS QUOTED AS SAYING IT IS ALMOST CUT IN HALF.
THAT MEANS THAT 500-600k IS PROBABLY CLOSE.

"probably"???

listen!!!!

hard to explain it over and over again....

what WAS HE ON???

when you include salary cap
3rd party Visy
Promotional face stuff
injury allowance

etc???

WHAT WAS HE ON TOTALLY... and what is he on now????

she doesnt say it.. shes guessing...!!!...

shes mentioning a nice round figure 1 mill
then she halves it...

Youre then guessing!!!

there is nothing difinitive about that article...

AKA fluff piece!!!!.... public consumption exercise!!!!.... navel gazing...!!!

Our salary cap is tight!!!!

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