Zippy wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
trublu wrote:
Never ever waste a first round pick on a ruckman. You can easily poach them from other clubs like swans and hawks have done. We've done it with Warnock.
Trent cotchin should be playing for us.
We didn't use first round pick on Warnock .
I think that's his point! Warnock will end up being a big steal for us (although the 1 mil over 3 years was a large price to pay).. He will be coming into his prime over the next few years.. He actually has ruck smarts.. His ruck work can be brilliant at times.. Just needs to improve on his around the ground work and try get involved a bit more. I just hope Mick realizes he is our best ruckman.
Most ruckman don't really come into their peak until 25+ years of age and their peak is probably 4-5 years. They're such a waste of a high pick. Hawthorn and Sydney have done very well in this area, as did Collingwood with Jolly.
..it's not easy to poach a ruckman from another club, unless they are a battler down the pecking order.. ..you might get the odd good trade here and there.. ..you name swans and hawks.. ..swans got spider everitt.. ..they got jolly, who's only ever been a hard working ruck [never brilliant] that got to play for a very good organised team.. ..jolly was a distant 2nd in dee's ruck stocks at the time.. ..swans got mummy, another hard working ruck [about the minson/hudson quality] that had a good couple of years, now pushed out by an old canadian rugby convert.. .... ..hawks got hale, who is better as a fwd resting ruck, than he actually is in the ruck.. ..they've snagged mcevoy now, another good but not great ruck, and they got him cos he wanted out of stkilda..
..sure, we 'pinched' knockers off freo.. ..we had to go to arbitration to do it, we gave up 2nd and 3rd rounder [2 picks], and a good coin long contract for an unproven ruck that didnt play a single game in his 1st year for us, and has avg'd less than half a seasons worthy of footy for every year in the system.. ..he's played as many senior games for us as hammer roughly did..
..cotchin is a good mid, we'd love him sure.. ..but mids like him are available in every draft.. ..we got krooz.. ..including his blown out knee, he's played more games than any other ruck [about a seasons worth more at least] than any other of his immediate peers.. ..he's given good service, and at times brilliant games, as he's carried the ruck load from age 18.. ..now you can argue in general that talls, especially rucks,, take time to develop and maybe using a 1st rounder see's little return in the early years, but that arguement Does Not apply to Krooz, who has given plenty of service..
..the issue is, once we had krooz we never should have gone for knockers.. ..getting kncokers saw project ruck jacobs be helped out.. .he may have gone home anyways, but knockers sealed it.. ..it also later saw hammer be pushed out.. ..for knockers to wind up being a steal for us, he has to dominate games for the next 4 to 5 years.. ..that's the immediate plus overall ripple cost effect of going for him..
..and if rucks are supposed to peak when they are 25yrs +, then surely Krooz at 24yrs 4mnths has much more upside than Knockers, 26yrs and 8mnths [ages approx.].. .... ..surely the ruck that is younger [and according to brownlow and B&F results is better] and has played 105 games out of a possible 138, is the better value and smart recruitment.. ..than say, the ruck that is 2 years older and has only played 70 odd games out of a possible 180..
....thing is this, everyone bangs on about not using 1st rounders on ruckmen, and yet clubs time and time again do it.. ..all the up and coming young rucks were first rounders.. ..and there's a reason why we have rounds in the draft, it's quality rating so to speak.. ..good mids, like good kpps and brainwave, good rucks, are far more likely to be picked up early in the draft.. ..amazing isn't it.. .... ..you pick up a good player than can give good service early on, and you're ahead.. ..early years Krooz would have been on small money, yet already giving good weekly service.. ..knockers first few years on our list was on probably close to double krooz's first couple of years cash wise, and played a half dozen games.. .whoopee.. ..hows that poaching a ruck plan working out now..??..
..and just for the record, can ppl stop crapping on about how good knocker's actual tapskill is.. .as if he's our 'tap ruckman'.. ..he is about quantity.. .no doubt.. ..but not quality, cos his actual hitout to adv. numbers aren't that impressive.. ..Krooz has better hitout to adv ratio's.. ..so did hampson..
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