What are you saying?
That we don't need our best forward of the last five years for one hundred extra but we're can pay Judd alot more than that?
Look when we had fev we were told we didn't need him that he was a hog.
Now we don't need our next best forward over the last decade

But we need carrazzo Judd Waite on their contracts ?
Eddie if entering his prime

He has been one of our best performers and home grown
He's definitely been our best forward fifty player.

My point isn't just Eddie


It's the list management and contracting.
It's a sham....

What's Judd worth?
What's carrazzo worth?
Waite ?


Why can't we hold Eddie and bring in Thomas

Eddie is now in his prime

Those guys are shot!

I know who I'd rather look after

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There's your problem. Not one of them is currently worth $600K NO MATTER HOW MUCH THEIR MANAGER'S PUSH IT.

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Why do we have to manoevre it? The TPP is a finite amount. Rank each player and assess his worth. If he is not assessed at 500k, DON'T FLOWERING WELL PAY HIM 500k
Set the flowering standard and players will learn quickly they can't hold the club to ransom
Like Judd (numero uno) and Waite to name a couple
UNfortunately, the Thomas affair shows we don't flowering learn!!!!

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

That's my point
Eddie must move on Thomas must come in
Judd carrazzo and Waite are ok...

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No chance he'll be there

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"I will rejoice in their anguish, delight in their failure and revel in our success"

We are Carlton, @#$%&! the rest !!!!!!

I can dream

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dane's trolling again

We need Eddie for $350,000 to $400,000.

We don't need Eddie for $500,000.

Simple as that. Bad financial decisions we've made to overpay some of our players isn't an excuse to continue overpaying more players.

And no a fit Thomas isn't overpaid at $650,000. A fit Thomas is our best player who fills a desperate need.

No way known Eddie should've gotten near 500K from us considering Hendo is only on 450K max.

I don't know what all our players are getting paid.
I don't believe everything i read in the paper.

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I never injected anyone."
AD 3/3/14

Never ever waste a first round pick on a ruckman. You can easily poach them from other clubs like swans and hawks have done. We've done it with Warnock.

Trent cotchin should be playing for us.

We didn't use first round pick on Warnock .

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I hope Essendon* folds.

what do you guys think west coast will give us for bootsma .. do you think we'll ask for a plater or draft pick

sit tight, be confident.

We're just biding our time. When we strike, we'll shake this trade period up

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I'm guessing both clubs have their eyes on the same player in the second round so whoever gets 28 gets that player and the other team misses out. Otherwise why bother?

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

I think that's his point! Warnock will end up being a big steal for us (although the 1 mil over 3 years was a large price to pay).. He will be coming into his prime over the next few years.. He actually has ruck smarts.. His ruck work can be brilliant at times.. Just needs to improve on his around the ground work and try get involved a bit more. I just hope Mick realizes he is our best ruckman.

Most ruckman don't really come into their peak until 25+ years of age and their peak is probably 4-5 years. They're such a waste of a high pick. Hawthorn and Sydney have done very well in this area, as did Collingwood with Jolly.

A fit Murphy is far more value to our team than Thomas. Can win his own ball, plays multiple positions and uses the ball better.
Thomas isnt worth close to 650k.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Thomas' best has been greater than Murphy's best so far in their careers BV

Probably why Thomas has won an AFLCA award. Oh wait...

What a load of crap.
Which is not to say Thomas isn't worth the money, although I'd feel much easier about it being 625 than 700.

Stamos, I only care about the Carlton Football Club. I am guessing you care just as much as me about the strength of the Carlton Football Club as well. Whether it is Waite, Doull, Kernahan or anyone else they will be judged on what they have contributed to the football club. That is just an unfortunate reality as it is a tough business.


If we want to look at pure numbers and what he has produced we could break it down in a financial way (overlooking emotion, the element of his long term injury problems ...which Carlton knew about by the way before they signed him on a 3 year contract for 1.3 million)

This is what Waite has produced:

2012 - 11 games - 27 goals
2013 - 14 games - 27 goals
2014 - ?

2012 - in Carlton's winning matches that he was part of he got Brownlow votes in one match - the 5 goal match vs Essendon*.
His other good match was against Brisbane -with 5 goals. The rest were averaged out at about 1 goal a match.

So for that output based on the current pay rates...he would have contributed about $200,000 worth of work. (some might consider that is a generous estimation.) 2013 let's say $250,000 worth of work.

Therefore he has produced about $450,000-$500,000 worth of work and yet he was paid 1.3 million. That means his last year of the contract should be a $800,000 type of season...for that type of work the minimum requirement is that he makes the All-Australian team in 2014 if Carlton is going to get some sort of value for money.

I don't blame Waite- I blame the people that devised the contract negotiations. I am hoping that in his contract there was a clause about injuries...as they knew prior how susceptible to injuries he was...either way Waite is doing the best he can out of a tough situation.


His manager did a mighty good job let's just leave it at that. Could you imagine Hawthorn making this type of contract negotiation though? Carlton is an amateur club in all ways when compared to Hawthorn. This is just a symptom of the malaise.


All I want is for Carlton to get some sort of value for money based on how much they pay for players. If it out by $50,000-$100,000 then so be it..but I want value for money.

Btw - these are some of the players that I think Carlton has got value for money from

1) Anthony Koutoufides - for the 1999 preliminary alone he would have brought in thousands of new supporters. Then on top of that what he did in the 1995 finals series. Carlton and Kouta both benefited from him being a one-club player. Perhaps Kouta "won" in terms of his final large contract - but he had runs on the board up to that point anyway.

2) Eddie Betts- gave his all, contributed goals, consistent. Gave value for money based on his contract size- was nominated for All-Australian. Other than Syd Jackson arguably our best indigenous player of all time. Syd wins out over Eddie in terms of Carlton's best indigenous player in my estimation due to the damage he caused in finals.

3) Lachie Henderson- is a contributor already. Winning player this year -Kicked 3 goals against the Saints. Never drops his head, professional. 2 year contract..keeps em keen for more of a contribution.

This is what I look for - both parties winning in a contract negotiation.