Yes so what's everyone else on?
Muddy for example?
Betts isn't one of our b graders.

You look at the payment structure standard and I fail to see how betts should be paid less than others.

Alternatively you hold a strong culture and responsible payment standards and you don't get this situation.

Look at everything in its perspective it's not about Betts in isolation.

So when carrazzo Judd Waite ate getting their wages for their output why is betts supposed to take less in a take it or leave it offer?

That's your standard.

Yes so what's everyone else on?
Muddy for example?
Betts isn't one of our b graders.

You look at the payment structure standard and I fail to see how betts should be paid less than others.

Alternatively you hold a strong culture and responsible payment standards and you don't get this situation.

Look at everything in its perspective it's not about Betts in isolation.

So when carrazzo Judd Waite ate getting their wages for their output why is betts supposed to take less in a take it or leave it offer?

That's your standard.

You look at the payment structure standard and I fail to see how betts should be paid less than others.

Hope we have a target for next year.
Plan.

Our salary cap issues are plain for the world to see

We do not bat deep at all with A and B graders

This dysfunctional club we follow are so shit scared of losing whatever talent we have left and therefore pay way way overs to stop the exodus (which would expose their incompetence even more). Good players at CFC and their managers know this and rightfully, are squeezing every drop out of the club.

Look at HFC...How the flower can they have so much room. Becasuse they don't pander. The club is bigger than the individual.

I don't know what we paid Judd this year but I'll bet we could have knocked 100 -200k off it and still kept him.
God knows what we are paying Gibbs and Kruezer for fear of losing them.
Make Gibbs an offer for 2015-. If he doesn't like it, see you later. We need to become prudent with our cap and with sharing the money around. Middle of the road club bursting at the seams with the cap...Flowering amateur
Same with Kruezer.
If Judd can still run around in 2015, $300000 tops
Start searching for a young ruckman to replace Warnock. He aint worth the money he's on and will only ask for more when his contract expires.

And then there's Waite. Could there not have been a more shining example of negligence and incompetence. 3 year big big contract to someone who averages 12 games a year.
Once again, this fear of losing him plays into the manager's hands. A two year contract and we'll revisit it once completed.

If you fail to see why a small forward should be paid less than others in our side then you have questionable eyesight indeed.

Eddie was right to go, we were never going to pay him that kind of money and I'd have been fuming if we did.

I'm with grrofunger...

There are plenty of years you hear the draft is no good and wait until the next year. 2005 was the perfect example. It was meant to be really, really shallow. Thomas only came into the frame late, nobody had heard of Pendlebury until well into the season, and on reflection it was a ripping draft.

In contrast 2006 was meant to be the duck's nuts. It's gone ok in parts, but I reckon in hindsight most judges would have the 2005 draft ahead .

My view is there is talent in each draft and unless you back yourself to find it then you won't. I hope we have a good range of picks in this draft.

I bet you that when Kreuzer comes around to renegotiating his contract they will do the same thing they did with Waite...give him a 3 -4 year contract with big money based on potential.

Kreuzer has NOT been injured every year btw - that is the common argument in his defence eg.
2012 - 20 games -
2013 - 17 games -


Mike Pyke
2013 - 25 games - disposals 11 average / 21 hitouts ave and 28 goals

Kreuzer -
2013 - 17 games - disposals 11 average/ 25 hitouts ave and 8 goals..


Just saying on the actual delivery of what is given on the ground I would prefer a Mike Pyke to a Kreuzer. Kreuzer is "potentially" more talented, but after a while you only care about delivery.

Could have lost hammer kept Eddie and got daisy and the unknown anyway.


much planning


Don't expect ripper stuff at Carlton just a half a step forward when we need to take steps forward to catch up

Onya Eddie !

Bet he would have stayed if the offer was better even if not exactly 500 k

But to gain the premium Eddie had to go. Make space etc.

Full salary cap dadidadida.

It's irrelevant but Kreuzer shouldn't have gone pick 1. It should have been Cotchin. No ruckman (unless an absolute freak. E.g. 200cm Gary Ablett) should ever go pick 1.

Hopefully Kreuzer can become dangerous up forward and become a 20-30 goal a season forward/ruck because Warnock is our best ruckman.

As Leigh matthews said kruezer is struggling to be a B grader at best....

Come on.....you can't look at it that simplictically. Who knows what we offered say it was 400....that is clearly what he is worth and no more. If you paid him 450 where are we going to find the money for walker, Henderson, Murphy, Gibbs. They would all be warranted in asking for 600k. Imagine the negotiation " so your saying my player (walker) isn't as good as betts" etc etc and then you have a cap blow out. Then we would be criticizing the club for letting eg walker go, instead of betts. The point is this is overly negative and heaping criticism on the club where it isn't due

Re kreuzer-no one mentions a severe knee reco. It is as if it didn't happen
Grumbleton wasn't bad drafting by Essendon** but bad luck