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Hornet
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:08 pm 
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london blue wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
Is John Ralph the biggest flog in football?

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlto ... 6736964889

"Second oldest list"... after we have announced the delisting of several younger players when many other clubs have not delisted players yet.

"Going to be the oldest list"... but we haven't signed Pods or Chappy or any of the others yet.

"8 players under 23"... but we haven't been to the draft yet, having dismissed Mitchell, McCarthy et al

Some reasonable points could have been made on some of these issues and instead he has written a sensationalist piece of crap!

As I understand it, we were the 7th oldest list this year. We finished 6th... Leaving out the tripe it can be argued we are where we should be...


The theme is......unfortunately.....correct

Yep... there's a cricket saying along the lines of, if you happy with your score, add two wickets an re-assess.

Add two years to our list... we need some serious luck in trading/drafting otherwise it could get ugly.

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Michael Jezz
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:27 pm 
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That was obvious 2 years ago. That is why we are agressive
Docherty - 21
Savage - 21
Michie- 21

The veterans, which will be 1 or 2, we are unlikely to trade for and will only take the spot of speculative draft picks post 65.

Thomas is 26 but is the senior midfield replacement we need and covers us if Gibbs leaves under free agency.
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madblue21
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If everybody reckons gibbs will leave next year, put the hard word on him now! Make him sign ! Or trade him for pick 1!!!! Paul Roos has mentioned this as well with his players
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Rexy
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I'm thinking it's a safer strategy to trade away your top draft pick for a player in their early 20's who's shown he has good football qualities and wants a bit more coin/opportunity.
The unknown that comes with an 18yo, whatever draft pick number they are, is very risky.
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Menzel_Mayhem
PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:59 pm 
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Gibbs is a Carlton player.
He will be a one club player IMO.
Lets watch him become elite next year in the midfield and stop talk about trading him
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Big Kahuna Boot
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Rexy wrote:
I'm thinking it's a safer strategy to trade away your top draft pick for a player in their early 20's who's shown he has good football qualities and wants a bit more coin/opportunity.
The unknown that comes with an 18yo, whatever draft pick number they are, is very risky.


..depends on the player i guess.. ..and the timing.. ..and the sal.cap, since you usually pay extra to get them across.. ..the draft should be the primary method of building the list.. ..hard to get players to agree to take a bit less and build a team of quality when you bring in outsiders on big coin every couple of years.. ..[which we've done enough of]..

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Rexy
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I'm thinking it's a safer strategy to trade away your top draft pick for a player in their early 20's who's shown he has good football qualities and wants a bit more coin/opportunity.
The unknown that comes with an 18yo, whatever draft pick number they are, is very risky.


..depends on the player i guess.. ..and the timing.. ..and the sal.cap, since you usually pay extra to get them across.. ..the draft should be the primary method of building the list.. ..hard to get players to agree to take a bit less and build a team of quality when you bring in outsiders on big coin every couple of years.. ..[which we've done enough of]..


players around 20/21yo generally aren't on big coin yet and aren't absolutely established within their club as say a 25yo player so it's not perhaps so overly hard or expensive to get them to move, in theory
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Big Kahuna Boot
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..how have we done in this aspect??..

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bluepill
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We have put an offer to Shaw .. from what ive been told out of the six clubs ..we are one of two he'll most likely choose ..other club geelong ...
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bluepill wrote:
We have put an offer to Shaw .. from what ive been told out of the six clubs ..we are one of two he'll most likely choose ..other club geelong ...


CFC has denied any offer and any interest.

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Molly
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So what I want to know is when our salary cap issues will get fixed? We effectively couldn't trade last year or the year before because of the cap, and then this year we bring in Daisy to max it out again.

Does the situation resolve when Judd and Waite retire? Or does them leaving just give us the coin to keep Walker and Murphy? I haven't added Gibbs to that list because I'm expecting him to go.

So when do we look like having salary cap space for getting heavily involved in trades?
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kezza
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mikkey wrote:
bluepill wrote:
We have put an offer to Shaw .. from what ive been told out of the six clubs ..we are one of two he'll most likely choose ..other club geelong ...


CFC has denied any offer and any interest.

His manager has said we have made an offer.
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Menzel_Mayhem
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Whos running CFC fb? First we report on what shaws manager said then deny it?
Looked like a backflip more than anything
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DocSherrin III
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Molly wrote:
So what I want to know is when our salary cap issues will get fixed? We effectively couldn't trade last year or the year before because of the cap, and then this year we bring in Daisy to max it out again.

Does the situation resolve when Judd and Waite retire? Or does them leaving just give us the coin to keep Walker and Murphy? I haven't added Gibbs to that list because I'm expecting him to go.

So when do we look like having salary cap space for getting heavily involved in trades?


Actually - I expect Gibbs to stay. He's on a VERY, VERY good deal at Carlton. Only GWS would be able to match it. And given Adelaide's pickle...they'd struggle to get him over. It clears up a little bit next year. But that's contingent on a fair bit.
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Rexy
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
Whos running CFC fb? First we report on what shaws manager said then deny it?
Looked like a backflip more than anything


and these on twitter 20 minutes apart...

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Carlton FC ‏@CarltonFC 1h
Player Manager Ben Niall has confirmed that Carlton is one of the clubs that have made an offer to @heathshaw39. #NAVYBLUES

Carlton FC ‏@CarltonFC 37m
Contrary to what was reported on @traderadio, the Club can confirm that we are not in the mix for @heathshaw39. #NAVYBLUES



WTF ??
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kennyhunter
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DocSherrin wrote:
Molly wrote:
So what I want to know is when our salary cap issues will get fixed? We effectively couldn't trade last year or the year before because of the cap, and then this year we bring in Daisy to max it out again.

Does the situation resolve when Judd and Waite retire? Or does them leaving just give us the coin to keep Walker and Murphy? I haven't added Gibbs to that list because I'm expecting him to go.

So when do we look like having salary cap space for getting heavily involved in trades?


Actually - I expect Gibbs to stay. He's on a VERY, VERY good deal at Carlton. Only GWS would be able to match it. And given Adelaide's pickle...they'd struggle to get him over. It clears up a little bit next year. But that's contingent on a fair bit.


There are quite a few very good deals ... It's why our cap is @$&@)(?!

Next year is Waite's last ... I think?

Judd year by year but could easily go on.

Gibbs will stay put I reckon.

It's the former No. 4 we need to get rid of.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 11, 2013 5:15 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
I'm thinking it's a safer strategy to trade away your top draft pick for a player in their early 20's who's shown he has good football qualities and wants a bit more coin/opportunity.
The unknown that comes with an 18yo, whatever draft pick number they are, is very risky.


particularly with our record of developing talent

reasonable strategy going forward .....let others develop them and we'll conceed our draft picks!
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london blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I'm thinking it's a safer strategy to trade away your top draft pick for a player in their early 20's who's shown he has good football qualities and wants a bit more coin/opportunity.
The unknown that comes with an 18yo, whatever draft pick number they are, is very risky.


particularly with our record of developing talent

reasonable strategy going forward .....let others develop them and we'll conceed our draft picks!


No, the 'reasonable' strategy is to get good at recruiting and developement, otherwise you have the tail wagging the dog.

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london blue
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Pafloyul wrote:
london blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I'm thinking it's a safer strategy to trade away your top draft pick for a player in their early 20's who's shown he has good football qualities and wants a bit more coin/opportunity.
The unknown that comes with an 18yo, whatever draft pick number they are, is very risky.


particularly with our record of developing talent

reasonable strategy going forward .....let others develop them and we'll conceed our draft picks!


No, the 'reasonable' strategy is to get good at recruiting and developement, otherwise you have the tail wagging the dog.



......oh, so that is it? :thanks: :razz:
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Rexy
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Pafloyul wrote:
london blue wrote:
Rexy wrote:
I'm thinking it's a safer strategy to trade away your top draft pick for a player in their early 20's who's shown he has good football qualities and wants a bit more coin/opportunity.
The unknown that comes with an 18yo, whatever draft pick number they are, is very risky.


particularly with our record of developing talent

reasonable strategy going forward .....let others develop them and we'll conceed our draft picks!


No, the 'reasonable' strategy is to get good at recruiting and development, otherwise you have the tail wagging the dog.


that's too idealistic in our current position, paf

pragmatically, we need to cut out some 'risk'

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