ESL Talking Carlton?

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

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Not sure what u mean here Christie.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

I can't see why we'd be looking to trade Casboult. The kid has the potential to be a monster marking forward, isn't that what we are looking for????

If Casboult stays he actually becomes our 3rd choice ruckman (and the Northern Bullants no. 1).

Actual with Hammer gone its hard to see Levi being traded

Coxy is high!

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It would not surprise me if we tried to turn him into a ruckman! We all know he's a forward, so it makes sense not to develop him there!

AFL.com suggests that the Bombers were prepared to offer Myers and Colyer for pick 2 from Melbourne. Says in the article that the Demons weren't keen but almost implied that they should have been.

Wonder what the reaction would be if we offered Robinson and Lucas? People would (rightly) say we are kidding ourselves.

Stat was published about trades and player movement since 2006. Every club has done at least 9 moves except Essendon* (6). That is a minimum 50% more from EVERY OTHER CLUB in that time. They kid themselves...

Its an obviously a POV and your reason for a preference towards one of two: to have or not to have?
I appreciate that, and clearly comprend the reasoning. Well put.

He did do his hammies last year...and came back.
I don't subscribe to "chronic" as his condition.
This guys been around for a long time. He's done a hammy or two, but he's played a lot of games over a lot of years so there's an argument that he has been able to withstand the pressures and rigours of the game, as opposed to having a career hampered by chronic hammies. True?

Geelongs list is in a different solar system than ours and lets be clear on that.
What's right for Geelong is not necessarily right for Carlton.
Carlton needs what Geelong has....and Chappy was their best player in the last game he was eligible to play for them.

There's more to Chapman than your POV Doc. Your being too simplistic and presuming worse case scenario and not entretaing the probabale good influence he'll have on the club and players.
He can add value. IMO remarkable value like Judd did and does, like Diesel Williams, like Bradley, like someone who knows the game better than the other 80%.

I'd like to give you examples of players in the last 20 years who have joined a new team and had more good influence than....well just about the coach did.

Chapman is a driven man.
If he did break down, I say so what. The value he would give to Carlton players (given he he has the urge to add value as best as he can).....you cant put a price on it because Chappy comes cheap. No picks lost.

This guy has a lot to offer our club and our list. That's my POV and I have a lot to back it up with.
Just looking at it simply. He's a "driven man" and needs good management. H is his worst enemy. He needs someone to control the time he plays because he'll go hard 100% of the time he's on the field and that would be chronic for his body. But he can play a couple of years if we use him properly. Thats value and I reckon this role can be the making of him as an assistant coach. MM would love that...a Geelong connection....I'm being mischievous.

Anyway, that's the playing. I dont need convincing. I'm clear on Doc's POV and I agree but that's the other side of the argument imo.

Last game he played was a semi final. I think he got 20+ kicks, 3 or 4 goals, hurt a dozen players, probably 6 hballs, 4 tackles, but hard and nasty.was close to BOG but got suspended. He is exactly what we need even if it is in the forwardline, because you still need mids in the fwd contests.

The Cats with him suspended lost to the eventual premiers, the Hawks. So as a player, I think he will stand up.
Suspension stopped his legend, not chronic hammies.

There's more we'll get from Chappy than the 2 years he can give us if we manage him properly.

I think Docs viewpoint is definetely prophilactic. No bad, just conservative. Whats lacking is he doesnt paint a dark picture as far as Chapman's cost to the team other than pick 65 in the draft...Tiller, Raso...etc. Its not that scary if a late pick doesnt make it or a player like Lucas cant play in our prelim against the Swans when I need as seasoned body to make everyone else 'taller'.

Give me Chappy for no picks anyday if there's no proof he's taking something away from Carlton and maybe some games in a kid, who probably wont make it given our recent history with development and retenention of late pick draftees let alone 2nd and 3rd round draftees.

Everyone's entitled to their opinion. No ones right or wrong at this stage.

There's more to Chappy than cheap shots at his hammies.

I want him in 2014 and 2015. That's my opinion.

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Watch casboult in his last 3 games of the season. Complete disaster and absence of a football brain. If you could get a second rounder for him we should take it

Sorry I meant we are using trade period to add depth into the midfield and will use this years draft to load up on talls

There aren't the talls to load up on in this years batch. Next year is another matter.

In regard to Chapman - We're getting him for zero outlay.

I can't understand why we wouldnt jump at the opportunity.

In 1995 we injected Clape, Manton, Hogg & Rice into the team and they all played a significant part in winning our last premiership.

Although some might argue that there is no correlation lets apply some recent examples 2008-Dew / 2012-Lake (both 30+). Dew won hawthorn the 2008 flag off his own boot!!!

We should be in the business of winning flags not impressing so called experts with our ideal drafting and list management structures and policies.

No Risk No Glory

In regard to Chapman - We're getting him for zero outlay.

I can't understand why we wouldnt jump at the opportunity.

In 1995 we injected Clape, Manton, Hogg & Rice into the team and they all played a significant part in winning our last premiership.

Although some might argue that there is no correlation lets apply some recent examples 2008-Dew / 2012-Lake (both 30+). Dew won hawthorn the 2008 flag off his own boot!!!

We should be in the business of winning flags not impressing so called experts with our ideal drafting and list management structures and policies.

No Risk No Glory

Wow Bondi...pure drivel. Don't really care to honest. If you think we need a super-sub - he's your man. Just wish we'd develop our own. Players aren't developing at Preston. What chance do they have?

Who says they aren't mutually inclusive? It's not like as if people have convictions of one sort and express another entirely. Are we the only club "jumping at the chance" to add Chapman?

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Agree Doc. Only time we play our younger players is when the seniors are injured. Imagine we get Cross, Chapman, they will have no chance.

What people don't get, is that if Carazzo was fit, we would not necessarily have had a look at Curnow, Bell etc.

Why do people think getting old retreads are the answer to our development.

Is this what we have become, Desperado's ? People are already laughing at us saying we just buy players and not develop our own.

We need to have faith in youth, and sometimes they will surprise you.

That's the point Doc.

They aren't being developed.

Get someone in who is developed and can help development.
We need all the help we can get.

A kid who isnt going to make it isnt going to help develop others, or set a standard.
Why should a player whose not up to it in a finals game be taking up the spot of Chappy who can help us?

Sorry to bore you...it was a bit long...a bit long you say!...yeah.Oops.
Easy on the drivel assasinations: you're the one making headlines with "chronic hammies".

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That's the spirit.

The message though has been a clearer at the NB's this year. Some heard it and applied themselves accordingly and some just couldn't get their heads around it.

The net result is somewhat obvious even at this early stage.

Agree - I can't see how the recruitment of 30+ year olds from other clubs will provide any clear message to the younger players on our list that they will be given a go even if they do "bang the door down" at VFL level.

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