I think 2 year is minimum if you trade for a player. (AFL rules I think...)

Still goes into the TPP. I'd say we have a few players in that category & I doubt we can afford to pay them all out. Those who are out of contract would be more likely to go. They can always play in the ants or come in handy should we get injuries.

No, that's not right. The 2 year min. is for drafting from the under 18's. If you trade, you trade on their contract (if they are contracted) or an agreed contract if he's uncontracted.

Can we delist Saddo?

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5 draft picks, one pre season draftee, one rookie promotion, one addition to the list through a trade. Eight need to be delisted or retire.

Bowyer, Clarke and Camporeale are gone.

The other 5 will be made up of Norman, Johnson, Bannister, Wiggins, Davies, Lappin, Chambers, Longmiur, McGrath, Morrell, Sporn and Prendergast. Take your pick. With the possible exception of Lappin they should all be gone in two years time.

Other than Lappin (who makes his own decision whether to stay or go) Norman's the only one from that list that you'd keep based on talent but he's probably used up his welcome.

Nothing stopping us from taking a sixth and seventh pick in the draft is there?

Could be a Betts or a Raso?

We need to keep some of our hacks for the next draft, otherwise we'd have to delist people we don't really want to delist.

Lets work on the swans theory

flower
Campo - Gone
Norman - (Has talent but still a flower) - Gone


Delists
Bannister - Gone i reckon
Prender - Gone yes has good motor good size just dosnt do much - Gone
Clarke - Gone - VFL player
Diggers - Gone (I never minded him just have too many similar now)
Johnson - Gone (Replaced by Bentick)
Justin Davies - Not sure of him maybe 50:50

Hold for 2006 Trade
Sporn - Adelaide lol

Retired
Bowyer

Forgot about the trade in my earlier post, thanks for reminding me. I think the club might delist 9. Leaves room for one more rookie elevation, one more late pick or a second PSD pick. Remember that the club can always redraft one of the castoffs if nothing better eventuates.

The only thing that might stop them from doing this is how many players are contracted and whether they can afford to pay the contracted players out.

Just for the sake of comparison, anyone know how many players retired, were delisted and traded last year?

IMO Setanta and Jesse Smith might both be promoted onto the senior list.

I think it is a given that Bannister and Norman are going to be delisted. Clarke and Bowyer have retired.Campo has indicated that he will go into the PSD so he is another definite delisting. That's 5 without thinking.

Johnson gets the ball a lot but his kicking lacks penetration and he is not over burdened with pace. I think the coach likes long kicking players and with Walker Stevens Murphy Bentick Carrazzo Chambers Scotland Simpson and Russell all having more pace he is probably not going to get much of a chance. I think Davies brain implosion in the VFL final was an indication of the pressure he was under to retain his spot on the list. That performance may have blown his chance with Eddie Betts taking the small forward pocket role and Troy Longmuir the utility. Prender has demonstrated previously that he is not a key position player but a tall run with option. More depth in the midfield may mean that his opportunities are limited.

I think Digby may be kept as a key position back up for Lance Livo and/or Saddington. As I posted at the time I think that mark Wiggins took against the Power may have saved his spot. I don't think courage and sacrifice for the team are to be under-estimated.

Obviously you could probably make a case for delisting all those previously mentioned but I'm not sure the club and MC would want to go that far. The one's I believe will be delisted are Davies Johnson and Prendergast. That would be 8 delistings with the door still open for Lappin. Promote 2 and add 1 more player and that gives us a minimum of 5 vacancies with four choices at the draft and 1 pre-season.

I agree with just about all of that. However, I believe that the club will work hard to keep Campo. So I am going to assume that he stays.

I think we will have 8 new players (Saddington, ND1, ND4, ND20 and ND36, PSD1, Setanta, Jesse D Smith) and therefore 8 that will go. I don't think it's worth using ND68 and beyond. It is a huge gamble and we need to recruit well from now on.

Bowyer (retired) and Clarke (delisted) are already confirmed. I think that Norman, Johnson and Davies are all a given and Prenda and Bannister are most likely.

So for the number 8. The class of 2000, Livo, Wiggo and Spornie, are in danger. Diggers is in danger too, but I see him being the better backup to the talls than Prenda. Then there is Longmuir and Chambers who have not impressed. Of course there is Campo and Lappo that are yet to re-sign. It will be one of these. Nuh, I can't really pick it. If it was me I would get rid of Spornie, but what was that rumour about Adelaide's #17? I don't understand.

McGrath will be safe. He is not outstanding, but he generally does his job. He has played all year in the seniors. I suppose in a good side that Houla might be in danger, but we are not a good side. So he is safe.

After reading all the news reports and other threads I might have been a little off the mark regarding the club and Campo, but all things are possible from here. It remains to be seen what will happen now.

We should axe plenty but we wont..players with contracts like longmuir will stay...I would like 2 PSD picks rather than the standard one and I would be promoting Jess Smith and Setanta.
Agree with Molsey..play all the players who need developing who might lead to something in the future and dont worry about the results..expect to finish down the bottom and lets get the recruiting/trade strategy right for next season....if Fev does go which I hope he doesnt at least lets promote him in a postive way so he is more appealing to other clubs..
Lets really look at the rookie listings as well and get those right...Adelaide picked up Hentschell(PSD)..Rutten and Mattner in one year and look at those three now...all senior players and one AA......those were freebie choices.....Pleming for example was a waste of time and showed nothing in his first year let alone his second year.

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Promote Setanta, don't think Jesse Smith has done enough, rookie him for another year.

I think delist guys with no future, maybe that is half the list, but I reckon Longmuir has never made it and he is 26/7 injury prone, and he barely gets the footy, Morell, good soldier, not good enough, Brett Johnson - ditto. Bannister, couldn't get a game, must be on the outer. I guess a few of Prenda/ Sporn/ Wiggo/ Davies / Norman will have to go. Sporn looked liked he'd be good a couple of years back, thought last year might have been breakout time, but he went backwards. Davies looks like a really good VFL player. Wiggo has blind courage which takes you a fair way but maybe not far enough/ I know most don't like Prenda, I think he was given little chance this year after a good 04, and Norman, despite his faults, is too talented - just give him one more year. I guess we need 6 more spots. Saddington having taken Campo's spot, Setanta onto the list, picks 1,4,20,36. Probably won't use #68 etc. At this stage not sure we are going to make more than 6 more changes. Some good points re rookie list. We've done reasonably from it in the past. WCE have picked up two All Australians from it - lucky / good judgement. Particularly good way to test slow developing ruckmen.

Troy Longmuir deserves at least another season. He had basically no pre-season at all and when he finally came into the side he did some good things although obviously was not so good at other times. I'd definitely keep him for at least one more season when hopefully he's had a full pre-season, only then will it be fair to judge him.

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With the arrival of Saddinton means goodbye to Stormin Karl Norman

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I think it spells the end of Diggers rasther than Karl

I believe Karl has a bad attitude and is not prepared to do whatever is necessary to make himself an ALF footballer. I get the feeling he'd much prefer to be back in the bush playing with his mates.

The club is trying to set an example with the big contracts and players not toeing the line and so no matter what his upside I think he will be shown the door.