JohnM wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
I laugh at those who talk about loyalty.
If your boss offered you a new contract for two years on a bit more than you're getting now and a rival company offered you three years on 50% more, what would you do?
Errrrrrrr. Errrrrrr. Phone a friend? Don't think so.
What's the difference?
To each their own. I'll bet there are tens of thousands of Geel supporters who are glad their players don't subscribe to your theory
And, I'll bet there are at least half a dozen Geel players who'll tell you where you can shove the extra coin if it meant taking away one of their premierships. Harry Taylor comes to mind (and he already has 3 premiership medallions in the back pocket)
I'll say it again...Betts wants the money, flower off and enjoy spending it in Rundle Mall
just not of the monetary kind. Those Geelong boys stay because they want to remain part of something special, not because of any loyalty to the hooped jumper.
Sacrificing income for success is a very different thing to loyalty. Asking Betts to stay at Carlton instead of going to Adelaide is asking him to sacrifice income
without any real likelihood of premiership success.I wish we had a club culture worth selling to players, but we don't.
Sorry JM, we'll have to agree to disagree.
It's not self interest at all. Whenever we do something purely for ourselves, we make an assessment of the chance of success. In most cases, we go for the consevative approach to attain that success
Eg. If Corey Enright is offered 150000 more after the 2009 GF and chooses to stay with Geel, how is that self interest? He's won two flags, he knows what a feat that was already and he's taking a mighty gamble to be part of a third premiership era.
The conservative approach would have been, "I've won two flags, I've paid my dues to Geel, now I want some security-$150000 GUARANTEED"
Instead, loyalty to the club/team mates etc tells him that the chances of winning a third flag are much smaller but he's prepared to risk it because money is not the be all and end all.
What likelihood of success did Travis Boak think PA had last year?
Those talking about loyalty are looking at it through the eyes of a supporter and that's fine.
To the players it's a job. It's a job with different parameters to most but in the ends they have to look after themselves just like everybody else.
Gary Ablett is the classic example. Could have stayed at Geelong and basked in the glory of more success but knew he had four, five or maybe more years to cement his long term future. He's now done that.
The concept of player loyalty stems from the days when players were paid nothing and stayed for the jumper. Ask someone like Mark Maclure how much money he took out of footy. He was probably being paid less than $100 k in the end. That doesn't last long when you retire at 35.
It's about maths.
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