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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:47 am 
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Asking to define a midfielder is pointless.

You need three different types for effectiveness:

Inside
Outside
Lock down

All three need to be gut runners and possess either elite disposal by hand or foot, preferably both.

Multiples of these are in every top 4 team both on the park and in the ressies.

Not rocket science.

Watch the Bullies come on in the next year or two. They have this mix progressing nicely.


They certainly do. Liberatore, Wallis, Smith, Hunter, Macrae, Hrovat.

We have got the outside players covered picking up Yarran, Bootsma, Lucas, Menzel with first round picks over the last five years, now it's time to build up the ball winners to get it out to these guys.


Love what the Doggies have done after making a few prelims & then dropping off.
Took a deep breath, gritted their teeth and went to the draft.
Cashed in Lake (why oh why didnt we do the same with Lance).
Moved players on such as club favourite Cross to make room for their kids.
Warned fans there would be a few years of pain.

No guarantee of success but at least they are having an honest crack and now targeting certain players such as Crameri.

Two top father-sons helps of course.

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Two top father-sons helps of course.


Lachie Hunter will be an absolute star. You're right - they've done the right thing. And they've got a great nucleus of mids coming through to assist and one day take over from Griffen and Cooney. List management is about succession strategies too. A damn shame the Carlton recruiters haven't had the foresight to see that, yet constantly criticize the average fan for talking about hindsight.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:58 am 
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Two top father-sons helps of course.


Lachie Hunter will be an absolute star. You're right - they've done the right thing. And they've got a great nucleus of mids coming through to assist and one day take over from Griffen and Cooney. List management is about succession strategies too. A damn shame the Carlton recruiters haven't had the foresight to see that, yet constantly criticize the average fan for talking about hindsight.



The only foresight our recruiters had was worn away by constant .......... oh sorry you said foresight. :wink:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 11:37 am 
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Does anyone else remember the "not another @#$%&! midfielder" days?


Yes but we probably thought we were drafting midfielders. This club's recruiting has been so crap that the more we've thought we were doing something, the more neglectful we've become, it's the same in regards to key-position players.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:33 pm 
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padre how can i take u seriously???

the names u mantioned... as some kind of midfield group wouldnt be what teams want in their engine.

dont be chuffed....

these are guys that are not what clubs are actually prioritising


So none of them? Our whole midfield ? or just some of them? At last we get it down to a difference of opinion rather than your ridiculous way of belittling ........


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 1:54 pm 
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@CarltonFC coach Mick Malthouse is set to become @CollingwoodFC worst nightmare. The frmr Pies' coach hosted star @dids_04 yday touring Visy


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:13 pm 
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 2:14 pm 
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Worst nightmare?
They just got rid of the tool. I'd suggesting they'd be laughing more than anything else if we pick him up.

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No, no, just @#$%&! NO!

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@CarltonFC coach Mick Malthouse is set to become @CollingwoodFC worst nightmare. The frmr Pies' coach hosted star @dids_04 yday touring Visy


The fact that we are even contemplating this (if true) is nothing short of astounding.

Not that they care, nor will it make any difference, but the club will not get any money from me next year.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:14 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
No, no, just @#$%&! NO!



Pagan.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:33 pm 
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Malthouse can't resist sharing in his good fortune and bringing all his mates over from the gums so they can retire with a great bank balance.

:hitcomputer: :hitcomputer: :hitcomputer:

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:40 pm 
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Worst nightmare?
They just got rid of the tool. I'd suggesting they'd be laughing more than anything else if we pick him up.


This.

Sadly.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:47 pm 
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padre wrote:
Synbad wrote:
padre how can i take u seriously???

the names u mantioned... as some kind of midfield group wouldnt be what teams want in their engine.

dont be chuffed....

these are guys that are not what clubs are actually prioritising


So none of them? Our whole midfield ? or just some of them? At last we get it down to a difference of opinion rather than your ridiculous way of belittling ........

Personally outside of Gibbs none of our other midfielders are worth a pinch of shit to us...
Collectively??.. youre talking 4 or 5 picks from rookie picks.. and guys like Robbo and a broken down Judd who refuses to try to run both ways...plus 3 guys in the top 5 piicks of their years who really havent been what we might have thought.

So as a mdfield its a midfield not taking us anywhere... sure..!!.. you can name it a midfield... but its not packing any punches and most guys would not be considered in any good team

If our aim is to be average to horrible... its quite good...

However if our aim and our ambition is to be be a serious contender.. with clubs looking over their shoulders ... this isnt the midfield youd be looking at ...

The guys you mentioned are mostly good at another level...

yes youre right... theyre midfielders....
Some of them would be guns in the VFL... though they usually are eclipsed by our Bullants listed midfielders.

Seen any games in the VFL padre???...

Most of those blokes get shown a clean set of heels by Bu llants mids week in week out..

Not too sure what youre talking about..

Are splitting hairs about the definition of what a midfielder is generally... as you roam he footy ovals around the southern states of Australia on weekends... or are you seriously saying this is a midfield youre staking your nuts on will take us to AFL success...
Is this what youre saying padre??

Cos im not interested in generic terms for players as midfielders... im only interested in midfielders and a midfield (TEAM) that can play through the ground and control a game of footy and gives us a chance of some real success.

Lets not get bogged down here...

Are you seriously saying those guys are capable of taing us somewhere meaningful.. or are u just happy to call them "midfielders" for what ever reason you wish to but not necessarily a body of players required at this standard

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 3:52 pm 
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@CarltonFC coach Mick Malthouse is set to become @CollingwoodFC worst nightmare. The frmr Pies' coach hosted star @dids_04 yday touring Visy


Best and fairest winner, 2 times all Australian, premiership player, a smart footballer with good disposal and you cant say that about too many Carlton players!

Is in the same age bracket as Judd, Carrazzo and Waite, who most here would have in our starting line up next year. Worth a try.


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Blue Tongue wrote:
azza? wrote:
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@CarltonFC coach Mick Malthouse is set to become @CollingwoodFC worst nightmare. The frmr Pies' coach hosted star @dids_04 yday touring Visy


Best and fairest winner, 2 times all Australian, premiership player, a smart footballer with good disposal and you cant say that about too many Carlton players!

Is in the same age bracket as Judd, Carrazzo and Waite, who most here would have in our starting line up next year. Worth a try.


5 games this year for a total of 3 goals and 4 tackles.
11 games last year for a total of 6 goals and 11 tackles.

Turns 31 in February. Not only is he a shit bloke. He was finished as a footballer 2 years ago.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:15 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
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Two top father-sons helps of course.


Lachie Hunter will be an absolute star. You're right - they've done the right thing. And they've got a great nucleus of mids coming through to assist and one day take over from Griffen and Cooney. List management is about succession strategies too. A damn shame the Carlton recruiters haven't had the foresight to see that, yet constantly criticize the average fan for talking about hindsight.

The doggies were really lucky with their father/sons. They also came during the period of the expansion teams having all of the early draft picks. The timing was perfect.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:35 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
padre wrote:
Synbad wrote:
padre how can i take u seriously???

the names u mantioned... as some kind of midfield group wouldnt be what teams want in their engine.

dont be chuffed....

these are guys that are not what clubs are actually prioritising


So none of them? Our whole midfield ? or just some of them? At last we get it down to a difference of opinion rather than your ridiculous way of belittling ........

Personally outside of Gibbs none of our other midfielders are worth a pinch of shit to us...
Collectively??.. youre talking 4 or 5 picks from rookie picks.. and guys like Robbo and a broken down Judd who refuses to try to run both ways...plus 3 guys in the top 5 piicks of their years who really havent been what we might have thought.

So as a mdfield its a midfield not taking us anywhere... sure..!!.. you can name it a midfield... but its not packing any punches and most guys would not be considered in any good team

If our aim is to be average to horrible... its quite good...

However if our aim and our ambition is to be be a serious contender.. with clubs looking over their shoulders ... this isnt the midfield youd be looking at ...

The guys you mentioned are mostly good at another level...

yes youre right... theyre midfielders....
Some of them would be guns in the VFL... though they usually are eclipsed by our Bullants listed midfielders.

Seen any games in the VFL padre???...

Most of those blokes get shown a clean set of heels by Bu llants mids week in week out..

Not too sure what youre talking about..

Are splitting hairs about the definition of what a midfielder is generally... as you roam he footy ovals around the southern states of Australia on weekends... or are you seriously saying this is a midfield youre staking your nuts on will take us to AFL success...
Is this what youre saying padre??

Cos im not interested in generic terms for players as midfielders... im only interested in midfielders and a midfield (TEAM) that can play through the ground and control a game of footy and gives us a chance of some real success.

Lets not get bogged down here...

Are you seriously saying those guys are capable of taing us somewhere meaningful.. or are u just happy to call them "midfielders" for what ever reason you wish to but not necessarily a body of players required at this standard


synbad i am not totally rejecting what you say. Yes there is clear room for improvement. But to describe our midfielders as horrible requires rebuke.
Firstly the game has evolved in recent years into one which is MUCH MORE midfield centric. This has been led by a few teams that have now made every other team scramble to catch up, we are included in this. We now know that for todays game players have to be able to run all day , at pace , and have great strength. the day if the specialist seems over. Outside running players are useful but need the support of a core group of grunts. We are short on grunts. Thats why the three amigos are a luxury we cant afford. Thats why betts going is a blessing in disguise, just like the fevola exit was. It will stop us being so amigo centric. I am happy if jeffy is our last remaining amigo forward, as i could see at the start of the season green shoots of his abiliity. But he needs to build in this.
Likewise yarran showed signs at the end if the season. Hopefully mm continues to turn him around.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 5:51 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
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Two top father-sons helps of course.


Lachie Hunter will be an absolute star. You're right - they've done the right thing. And they've got a great nucleus of mids coming through to assist and one day take over from Griffen and Cooney. List management is about succession strategies too. A damn shame the Carlton recruiters haven't had the foresight to see that, yet constantly criticize the average fan for talking about hindsight.



The only foresight our recruiters had was worn away by constant .......... oh sorry you said foresight. :wink:

Our recruiters didn't trade Walker to the Dogs for Everitt. Dogs received Veszpremi. The Dogs burned an end of first round compensation pick on Justin Sherman. Terrible succession plan to end up with nothing for Everitt and a good pick.


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