Certainly is, this time last century we had already won 3 flags, and were on the verge of winning 2 more.

We dont even look like winning one before 2020.

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I haven't changed my view. I believe there are some key components of the clubs operations that are back on track thanks to a few competent staff members and a couple of competent board members...but there's a real lack of know-how at the very top. Kernahan and Swann having fared well. The board needs to lose 4-5 bodies and the sooner that happens the better. Kernahan, Gleeson, Clarke and Germinder are dead weight.

On what basis do you think Swan has fared well?

Recruitment and Development?

Debt?

Blue Print?

Sorry...that was meant to read 'haven't' fared well.

Ok firstly i am not a sticks fan. He should stick to being just an ex footballer. But to put fahour on a pedestal as the answer based on his history at nab and oz post is just not rational. Especially if you listen to those who have had experience working along side him.
There seems to be a fair amount of hypocrisy going on here . It seems that those that criticise the amateur hour approach to rattens appointment, seem to be prepared to take similar risks with our next president.

No one is putting him on a pedestal. No one is saying he's the answer...but there is currently no answer. No one is challenging the current makeup because the Pratts and Mathiesons run the show. I'm not interested in people who worked under Fahour. I've heard from people who have worked in partnership with him...and from all reports he's a reasonably good operator.

If Kernahan wants a successful Carlton, he should look to the examples of Geelong under Frank Costa then Colin Carter, Sydney under Richard Colless, even Collingwood under Eddie McGuire. All prime examples of solid, stable, unified leadership. And they had success. It's not a coincidence.

no problemo...

His motives may have something to do with growing up in a housing commission flat that over looked the Club that helped him belong in a country that he felt removed from - at least growing up.

I'll take motivated self interest infront of the motivated self preservation that we have in the current President.

Fahour isnt the perfect candidate - but is their one? I doubt there is. But he is a person that can recognise where he doesnt have expertise and then find it and implement it.

He is an agent of change and an agent of culture change. For me that is an improvement of what we currently have.

I heard & saw Hawthorn's Pres Andrew Newbold on TV

Sticks was a fantastic footballer

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wel some people criticise and some people dont.
but some people criticise to make people aware.. because some people dont wanna be aware.. theyre happy to just follow
when the buk of the supporters are interested enough to shine a spotlight on the workings of the club and criticise.. there will be change

when the vast bulk of the children from the village following the club are happy just to follow the pied piper ...there can be no change..(whatever happened to those children anyway?)...

thats why some people criticise...

and as time rolls on i reckon they have been vindicated... and the sheepies feel sheepish if they were honest.

truth will overcome criticism if its right.. and will succumb to time if its not true

currently we are at yet another crossroads .

we have had many options in the past and taken the ones that have brought us to this place ...the more wrong turns we take the harder it is to get back...we are in a maze of clulesness.. and there is nothing Sticks can do to lead us out of it...
How do i know this??.. because he hasnt so far.. in fact he has been part of all the decision maing that has led us here.
The Elliot Legends stand
OReilly and the salary cap breaches
Crappy recruiting
Coach choices
Money black holes..

And yet.. he thinks .... "Dont worry ill fix it... ill fix it...".. as he continues on down another dark and blind alley.

He and his friends really dont have a clue...

So whats there to not criticise????

You mean people shouldnt criticise and ust follow this lunacy????

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Who cares what Fahour was like as CEO at NAB/Aus Post.

He'll be a president here, not a CEO. His job won't be the day to day running at Carlton, it's the bigger picture, the contacts, the direction, strategy and commercialisation. Completely different roles.

the cabal will never let an outsider rule their kingdom - they'll just make use of him for their gain

ahhhh but a president sets the tone

Sticks sets our tone.

Eddie is a CEO and a president.. its how we landed a dud like Swann.

What a president will do is set the course.. map out the direction...

Different roles... but it needs someone that understands business.. has contacts.. and can make things happen

I bet Swann wouldnt survive a Fahour purge ... what do you think????

Ultimately the pillars of strength are
President
CEO
Coach
Recruiting manager
Footy dept boss

But they all fall under the presidents stewardship...

This is where we fall down....

President must understand the CEOs role... and give him the directives..
the CEO must make the mechanisations work....

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Yes that is what I'm saying Synbad.

The supposed 'concerns' on Fahour being a workaholic and annoying people who work closely with him won't be as profound in a football club environment because he won't be dealing with these people every minute of every day.

He'll be setting the vision, the tone and then expecting the staff to execute it. Any diversions from the strategy would be questioned and people held accountable for it.

Well that's what I hope a president would do, not sure if Fahour would or not but anything is better than what we have right now.

fahour annoys the ones who like to be safe...

he doesnt annoy achievers...

one person very close to one of the most powerful people around the club said
"Ahmed leaves a trail of destruction behind him everywhere he goes"

Im pretty sure he doesnt destroy valuable assets...

There are so many ho hum people around the club... or people with vested interests who dont want them shaken... that he is seen as a threat........

Its only aroun d the Carlton footy club that Fahour is seen as a liability.

He certainly doesnt carry that tag in mainstream business....

Sticks on the other hand is good he keeps the status quo.......

Im not sure if any of that makes sense to anyone except those in the Carlton bubble...

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Fahour will help but he hasn't the time to do the heavy lifting like McGuire. He might be able to set the agenda but will need a more active board. Their support will be a close thing

FFS Luke Sayers - Step up man and save the club and bring it to be the most powerful and successful club in the land, as it once was!!!!

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For some silly reason, you people want to assassinate him, and it's just rubbish. You people. All of you, ALL of you!

there is nothing from what I seen that convinces me that Fahour is President material....

Get Kennett!

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what have u seen that says he isnt???

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