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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:56 pm 
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If Betts gets $500-$550k pa x 3/4 years as reported and walks under FA, we will get an end of 1st round or mid 2nd round pick. That is approx pick 18 or pick 30.

If we get Daisy as a FA, we lose that pick, as FA compensation is calculated as a net FA losses/gains.

Daisy is a gun when fully fit, but would we rather take the pick?

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 2:56 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
trublu wrote:
This could all end up being disastrous for us if you think about it

Just say we lost that game in the last round to port, we could have ended up with Pick 6 in the draft. Instead we move down 6 places in the entire draft...


Good teams don't draft high. They draft well.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Sooo surrey youre saying werre not a good team and cant draft????

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:14 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
trublu wrote:
This could all end up being disastrous for us if you think about it

Just say we lost that game in the last round to port, we could have ended up with Pick 6 in the draft. Instead we move down 6 places in the entire draft...


Good teams don't draft high. They draft well.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Sooo surrey youre saying werre not a good team and cant draft????


Nope. Saying good picks are available at every pick and not just high picks!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 3:41 pm 
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..hawks have done well lately, but for a long time they had the rep for just dragging things out during trade week..


Coincided with Pelchen leaving. That bloke was the worst.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:26 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
If Betts gets $500-$550k pa x 3/4 years as reported and walks under FA, we will get an end of 1st round or mid 2nd round pick. That is approx pick 18 or pick 30.

If we get Daisy as a FA, we lose that pick, as FA compensation is calculated as a net FA losses/gains.

Daisy is a gun when fully fit, but would we rather take the pick?


I rate a fit Daisy, but I would rather save the coin and keep the pick. We could even use the pick to land a young gun from GWS and save some salary cap room.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:35 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
If Betts gets $500-$550k pa x 3/4 years as reported and walks under FA, we will get an end of 1st round or mid 2nd round pick. That is approx pick 18 or pick 30.

If we get Daisy as a FA, we lose that pick, as FA compensation is calculated as a net FA losses/gains.

Daisy is a gun when fully fit, but would we rather take the pick?


I rate a fit Daisy, but I would rather save the coin and keep the pick. We could even use the pick to land a young gun from GWS and save some salary cap room.


:thumbsup:
all for backing our ability to develop some young talent

........that wasn't supposed to be facetious either.........


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 6:54 pm 
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london blue wrote:
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aboynamedsue wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
If Betts gets $500-$550k pa x 3/4 years as reported and walks under FA, we will get an end of 1st round or mid 2nd round pick. That is approx pick 18 or pick 30.

If we get Daisy as a FA, we lose that pick, as FA compensation is calculated as a net FA losses/gains.

Daisy is a gun when fully fit, but would we rather take the pick?


I rate a fit Daisy, but I would rather save the coin and keep the pick. We could even use the pick to land a young gun from GWS and save some salary cap room.


:thumbsup:
all for backing our ability to develop some young talent

........that wasn't supposed to be facetious either.........



We'd have to be doing things a lot differently before we see any improvement in that department.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:05 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:

Imagination can often lead us astray. Don't judge someones reasoning based on your own experience or knowledge.

I don't see it as petulance. It's frustration & anger. Football is about emotion, that's what it runs on.

I have met many people from this website who are nothing like what they seem.

This club can be fixed. A lot of us would just like to something positive.


I was involved at a club that made the tough decisions and went through a massive restructure virtually overnight. Everything from that point was a positive. It was one of the great learning experiences of my life.

We need someone at the top that will make those decisions. I hope MM is doing that.


I'm sorry that what one is left with is frustration and anger as I find them also to be useless emotions.

If frustration and anger get you anywhere let's all be more frustrated and much angrier. Doesn't work does it? :)

Only action can give you anything that may just net a useful outcome but that's much harder and a lot less appealing to most...................so back to frustration and anger.

p.s. Not having a shot at anyone but just for the useless rolling maul that frustration and anger breed.


It brought down the Berlin wall
It made a statement in Tiannemen Square
It cleared Versailles of its King

Bottom line is, sometimes, you just have to get angry and frustrated
We've been a basket case off the field for over a decade. We still are. We're run by benefactors, are devoid of innovation, have no strategic plan and poach yesterdays heroes from yesterdays successes
Off with all their heads I say, we've seen enough of Sticks', Hughes' and Swann's incompetence


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:06 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:

Imagination can often lead us astray. Don't judge someones reasoning based on your own experience or knowledge.

I don't see it as petulance. It's frustration & anger. Football is about emotion, that's what it runs on.

I have met many people from this website who are nothing like what they seem.

This club can be fixed. A lot of us would just like to something positive.


I was involved at a club that made the tough decisions and went through a massive restructure virtually overnight. Everything from that point was a positive. It was one of the great learning experiences of my life.

We need someone at the top that will make those decisions. I hope MM is doing that.


I'm sorry that what one is left with is frustration and anger as I find them also to be useless emotions.

If frustration and anger get you anywhere let's all be more frustrated and much angrier. Doesn't work does it? :)

Only action can give you anything that may just net a useful outcome but that's much harder and a lot less appealing to most...................so back to frustration and anger.

p.s. Not having a shot at anyone but just for the useless rolling maul that frustration and anger breed.


It brought down the Berlin wall
It made a statement in Tiannemen Square
It cleared Versailles of its King

Bottom line is, sometimes, you just have to get angry and frustrated
We've been a basket case off the field for over a decade. We still are. We're run by benefactors, are devoid of innovation, have no strategic plan and poach yesterdays heroes from yesterdays successes
Off with all their heads I say, we've seen enough of Sticks', Hughes' and Swann's incompetence


Hear. Hear :clap: :clap:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:20 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
People's Elbow wrote:
trublu wrote:
This could all end up being disastrous for us if you think about it

Just say we lost that game in the last round to port, we could have ended up with Pick 6 in the draft. Instead we move down 6 places in the entire draft...


Good teams don't draft high. They draft well.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

Sooo surrey youre saying werre not a good team and cant draft????


Nope. Saying good picks are available at every pick and not just high picks!

so what youre saying were not a good club and recruiters cos we dont pick them???

so if we cant pick the good draftees.. and our record os putrid... u agree we are lucky to get early picks when we get them yes???

or you prefer our team without gibbs / murphy and reuzer and more of clinton benjamin/mcCarthy/mitchell/watson/ austin/hatlett/ duigan/ rowe??

correct???

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 7:23 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
If Betts gets $500-$550k pa x 3/4 years as reported and walks under FA, we will get an end of 1st round or mid 2nd round pick. That is approx pick 18 or pick 30.

If we get Daisy as a FA, we lose that pick, as FA compensation is calculated as a net FA losses/gains.

Daisy is a gun when fully fit, but would we rather take the pick?

Daisy

Guaranteed gun vs luck of draw


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 8:03 pm 
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Bigredisback wrote:
sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
If Betts gets $500-$550k pa x 3/4 years as reported and walks under FA, we will get an end of 1st round or mid 2nd round pick. That is approx pick 18 or pick 30.

If we get Daisy as a FA, we lose that pick, as FA compensation is calculated as a net FA losses/gains.

Daisy is a gun when fully fit, but would we rather take the pick?

Daisy

Guaranteed gun vs luck of draw


I see your point but we desperately need some depth in the midfield and need to place some faith in the draft. We need to stock pile as many draft picks as possible to achieve this aim. Otherwise, we will continue being middle of the road.

What would you rather have: 2 possible young midfielders (with Betts compo pick) who are part of our rotations for years to come or a young midfielder and a very good 26 year old player on over $600k who may have already played his best football. I think I prefer the first option. Would create some short term pain but will be worth it in the longer run.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 9:51 pm 
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Nope. Saying good picks are available at every pick and not just high picks!


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 23, 2013 10:13 pm 
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Nope. Saying good picks are available at every pick and not just high picks!

but youre saying were not a good club ... and we dont pick those ones..

why are u editing what you said???

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thats the point of early picks... we would be last if we didnt have them.. and so wed have early picks surrey
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now why we dont have good players from later picks... thats got nothing to do with why we have early picks... but we do get early picks because were crap...

do u understand that????

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:11 am 
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Wojee wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..hawks have done well lately, but for a long time they had the rep for just dragging things out during trade week..


Coincided with Pelchen leaving. That bloke was the worst.


..sure, all sorts of reasons why any given club may attract [or repel] players come trade time.. ..most clubs wax and wane in regards to this ability..

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:33 am 
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99prelim wrote:
It brought down the Berlin wall
It made a statement in Tiannemen Square
It cleared Versailles of its King


Bottom line is, sometimes, you just have to get angry and frustrated
We've been a basket case off the field for over a decade. We still are. We're run by benefactors, are devoid of innovation, have no strategic plan and poach yesterdays heroes from yesterdays successes
Off with all their heads I say, we've seen enough of Sticks', Hughes' and Swann's incompetence


No it didn't. :smile:

Actions brought about those situations, not hope, wishes, anger or frustrations.

If someone really feels strong about something they should express themselves where they may just make a difference.
If not then maybe they aren't really as "passionate" as they portray themselves to be. They may think they are but..............maybe they're just not.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 9:24 am 
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harker wrote:
99prelim wrote:
It brought down the Berlin wall
It made a statement in Tiannemen Square
It cleared Versailles of its King


Bottom line is, sometimes, you just have to get angry and frustrated
We've been a basket case off the field for over a decade. We still are. We're run by benefactors, are devoid of innovation, have no strategic plan and poach yesterdays heroes from yesterdays successes
Off with all their heads I say, we've seen enough of Sticks', Hughes' and Swann's incompetence


No it didn't. :smile:

Actions brought about those situations, not hope, wishes, anger or frustrations.

If someone really feels strong about something they should express themselves where they may just make a difference.
If not then maybe they aren't really as "passionate" as they portray themselves to be. They may think they are but..............maybe they're just not.


Fluffy motherhood statement...
Actions are borne out of anger and frustration
The two are not mutually exclusive

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:14 am 
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Synbad wrote:
so what youre saying were not a good club and recruiters cos we dont pick them???

so if we cant pick the good draftees.. and our record os putrid... u agree we are lucky to get early picks when we get them yes???

or you prefer our team without gibbs / murphy and reuzer and more of clinton benjamin/mcCarthy/mitchell/watson/ austin/hatlett/ duigan/ rowe??

correct???


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Nope. Saying good picks are available at every pick and not just high picks!


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:45 am 
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Guranteed gun v pick. take the pickand get a gun middy that will help our list for many years.(dont let hughes choose) eg luke parker pick 40 , daisy to risky turns 27 no way.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:57 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad wrote:
so what youre saying were not a good club and recruiters cos we dont pick them???

so if we cant pick the good draftees.. and our record os putrid... u agree we are lucky to get early picks when we get them yes???

or you prefer our team without gibbs / murphy and reuzer and more of clinton benjamin/mcCarthy/mitchell/watson/ austin/hatlett/ duigan/ rowe??

correct???


SurreyBlue wrote:
Nope. Saying good picks are available at every pick and not just high picks!



:lol:

OK Surrey,,, we know good clubs pick good players in the draft.

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