With Buddy going to GWS, well likely to, and Cameron there too we should look at Patton for the right price...High risk for high reward..

..i like the look of Adams, but adams for krooz would be us paying overs..

My take on yesterday's changes... time to get ruthless http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/malthouse-as-chaplin-the-ruthless-reality-of-cutting-the-carlton-list/

I reckon Duigan & Laidler will be traded. Dale is a bit unlucky IMO. If it's a shallow draft, it wouldn't surprise me if he & McCarthy end up on rookie lists somewhere. Ellard maybe a touch fortunate, but I don't begrudge him it.

Glad Dylan Buckley wasn't delisted as was rumoured earlier this week.

My take on yesterday's changes... time to get ruthless http://www.footyalmanac.com.au/malthouse-as-chaplin-the-ruthless-reality-of-cutting-the-carlton-list/

Getting old players and getting rid of young ones will not improve our list long term.

We are conservative. If we wanted a risk, we would back ourselves to get Martin and put processes in place to ensure we get the best out of him.

We should be going all out for Adams and other young guys from GWS, Gold Coast and good teams ie Geelong who are not getting a go or who want to come home.

Instead we are going after Daisy (dont mind this one), Staker and Cross.

Seriously. Thinking short term is going to set us back years again, like in the DP era.

Smart trading would be too trade Carazzo, Hampson, Kruezer (only for a big deal), Lucas and maybe even Yarren (only for a big deal).

We are too conservative as a club.

When did we ever trade picks to move up the draft. When did we ever try and make a deal for a 17 year old that GWS or Gold Coast had in which they had to trade for. ie Hogan.

We instead take the short term solutions. I thought those days were over.

Richmond is being smart and targetted players for need in last years trade period.

What need do Cross and Staker fill. Its not like they are older champions or anything. Its not like they are Paul Chapman or Stevie J in which you would consider taking to be the cherry on top.

And even though they wont cost as 'much' as you put it, it will disgruntle young players and also take up spaces on the list. Then young players not getting a go will move on.

You have seen it yourselves, we only put young guys in when we have injuries to the senior blokes, otherwise we would not see them.

We probably have targetted Adams but don't have the picks to offer and GWS don't want Warnock, Yarran or others
Remember Daisy comes for nothing
Cross, Staker also would cost nothing
and it doesn't stop us picking up 5 kids in the draft
Let us not re write history Pagan never mortgaged our future, he didn't have draft picks and used the ones he had on Walker, Scotland and don't forget Stevens for free.

..fact is we have very little to offer in terms of trade value, and the few we have we can't really afford to lose.. ..too many holes, and trading out quality to get in quality, leaves us with about the same amount of quality,, not enough.. ..out of our 3 rucks, Krooz most likely would attract the best offer.. ..with good reason.. ..Krooz is a bit over 24 and has played 105 games.. ..Hampson is about 25 and a half, and has played 63 games.. ..Knockers is 26, turning 27 in january, has played 70 games.. ..looking at that, i know which ruck i'd make sure to hold on to..

Mick talked about us falling away at the bottom end of our list. He is trading out most of that and bringing in experienced players to fill that bottom part of our list.
These guys wont be a core part of the team but will play their parts over the year.

We will still bring in talented youth through the draft and add Daisy to our core.

If you want to play the Simpsons, Gibbs, etc behind the ball, you must have some geniune front liners.
I would have thought Adams would be the perfect guy to "trade" for. We have options this year and the old excuses don't cut this year.

I'm also of the "drewgirl" opinion......watching closely.
Do not want has been's such as Cross or Didak to bolster our list!
Madness and utter stupidity. Betts out Didak in....Scotland out Cross in.

If you want to play the Simpsons, Gibbs, etc behind the ball, you must have some geniune front liners.
I would have thought Adams would be the perfect guy to "trade" for. We have options this year and the old excuses don't cut this year.

I'm also of the "drewgirl" opinion......watching closely.
Do not want has been's such as Cross or Didak to bolster our list!
Madness and utter stupidity. Betts out Didak in....Scotland out Cross in.

We probably have targetted Adams but don't have the picks to offer and GWS don't want Warnock, Yarran or others
Remember Daisy comes for nothing
Cross, Staker also would cost nothing
and it doesn't stop us picking up 5 kids in the draft
Let us not re write history Pagan never mortagaged our future, he didn't have draft picks and used the ones he had on Walker, Scotland and don't forget Stevens for free.