I look at it this way. IF, and it's a big if, we get Staker & Cross they will be replacing Davies & Mitchell. Big deal.

IF we are making 12-15 changes to our entire list where else would they be all coming from?

6 or 7 max in the ND.

Maybe 2 rookie upgrades.

2 Max via FA

The rest have to come from trades and we don't have a lot to trade. So to help the depth and development of the list we may have to bring in some "role players" to help our list grow. It is vital to have some mature, experienced players on your list to help bring the kids through.

Then next year as we look to go to the draft to get another 5-6 young players these guys drop off and others step up.

We have to go down that path now because the last 4-5 years we have made bugger all changes.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Exactly Surrey. Why is it we have not convinced Adams ?, that he would be so important to our midfield.

Surely we are more attractive than Collingwood right now ? Richmond is a different story.

This is it. We are spending time on old, or injured guys instead.

I have had it with this club admin as well. But will wait and see what transpires.

No guts, no glory.

We are an old mans home and players know it. We are seen as a desperate club.

The issue is what have we got to offer in regards to trades?

I think you will find that Yarran, Lucas or Garlett aren't worth that much and have attracted little interest.
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We have said that Kruezer, Gibbs are off the table. What else is there?

I would love to get Adams but it would almost be impossible. Personally I would offer Kruezer but it wont happen

The other issue is money. He will command a fairly sizeable offer to move. If we are focused on Daisy and maybe one other we dont know about we may not have the room?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

What do Collingwood have to offer ? Not much more than us I bet....

We are paying for not turning over our list over the past few years.

At this point what choice do we have? This year we will see what should of happened years ago. Unfortunate but we have to start somewhere. At least now we are starting.

Too suggest we are "an old mans home" and "a desperate club" is a bit over the top IMO.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Just wondering if this can be made a sticky on the Recruitment forum, so it can be easily accessed whenever needed?

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Cripps is the man

Mick talked about us falling away at the bottom end of our list. He is trading out most of that and bringing in experienced players to fill that bottom part of our list.
These guys wont be a core part of the team but will play their parts over the year.

We will still bring in talented youth through the draft and add Daisy to our core.

Bucks!

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First round compensation they get from losing Daisy.

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True and we are only taking about 2 players on a list of 44.

With Scotland probably retiring, Duigan, Betts & Laidler going, bringing in 2 experienced players that wont cost much isn't a big deal IMHO.

Also, with Watson, Graham, Bootsma, Menzel, McInnes, Bell, Temay, maybe Lucas & some draft picks commanding more game time in 2014 these guys will be handy in both the seniors and the reserves.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

..fact is we have very little to offer in terms of trade value, and the few we have we can't really afford to lose.. ..too many holes, and trading out quality to get in quality, leaves us with about the same amount of quality,, not enough.. ..out of our 3 rucks, Krooz most likely would attract the best offer.. ..with good reason.. ..Krooz is a bit over 24 and has played 105 games.. ..Hampson is about 25 and a half, and has played 63 games.. ..Knockers is 26, turning 27 in january, has played 70 games.. ..looking at that, i know which ruck i'd make sure to hold on to..

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Of course it probably helps if I checked before asking. Cazz has already put it there...Thanks Cazz

Sorry, my bad

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Cripps is the man

If Adams was offered for Kruezer I would jump at it but it wont happen.

We wont trade Warnock either so that leaves Hampson. I have a feeling he will stay as well.

Personally if we could swap Hampson for Karnezis & Staker I would probably look at it. Yeo or Cornelius may be worth it as well.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

A bit of pruning has taken place in this thread, because the cheap shots are really getting tiresome.

Knock it off.

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..still think two rucks is the way to go, and you need a back up ruck.. ..those pinch hitting kpf's are for emergencies, don't rely on them, cos you can't afford to lose ruck quality when the pinch hitter comes in, and game after game your main ruck gets worn down too much.. ..sure, they might get talked up, might even get an AA squad or best team selection.. ..like Jamar has, like Minson has.. ..but neither are thought of as being star rucks, just battler rucks in a good year.. ..and if a ruck gets to play on their own for most of a season they look tops, like some think Goldy has this year.. ..but their team isn't a contender..

..we don't have a ruck surplus.. ..it just looks that way cos our 3 rucks are around the same ages.. ..we dont have the older ruck, harderned and experienced campaigner.. ..we dont have the raw project or just drafted gunruck hopeful either.. ..what we did was invest heavily in the rucks for 3 yrs straight, but very rarely are all 3 fit and ready to play..

..not sure offloading hampson or knockers helps the list enough, to offset them being traded out.. ..and trading out krooz, who is by far our most durable ruck even having blown out his knee, will see us facing ruck issues again shortly after his departure..

..i think the only surplus we have, is small fwds.. ..and Betts out addresses that.. ..we shoulod either get a band2 compo [end of 1st round] which i think would be about what we'd have gotten for him on the trade table..... ..or, we lose that by bringing in Daisy.. ..in that sense, excluding contract dollars,, it's Betts out and Daisy in.. ..so we don't suffer too much from Betts leaving.. .sure he is a quality player, but Jeffy pushed 50 goals for the year and is more capable of playing further up the ground, and Menzel will be a goal kicker in time and helps mix up the fwdline vs having 2 small fwds [rather 1 small, 1 resting mid].. ..and Daisy will address our run and carry, and is a versatile flanker..

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..i like the look of Adams, but adams for krooz would be us paying overs..

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It seems that we have had better success with rookie picks than the main draft. That being the case we could take as many picks as we can, every year and just churn them. It seems to me that we know quite early who has it and who hasnt. Just churn them over year after year, delist 8 get 8 new, of the 8 , at least 3-4 should be keepers. The key is to make sure that your new keepers exceed your departing retiring ex required players.
If you let your list get too old then you have a bulge of retirements coming through, that puts pressure on your recruiting to replace that many players at years end.
The good clubs realise this and build depth before these retirements come up, so that they have ready mades already in development ready to step up. Not list cloggers that they hope will come good.
Of course those clubs with serious depth are able to trade for need and top up. They can do this because a. They are in legitimate premiership window territory, and b. they have "spare" depth that they can use as good currency in order to trade for the right players as required.
Good clubs dont need to drink their own bath water, they know if their list is ok or not. They can see where their emerging list weaknesses are and act before it becomes a problem. The poorer clubs , might fluke some success ie make the 8 , think that they are genuine premiership window contenders, stop trading stop development and top up, only to find that clubs like Essendon*, richmond, freo and port have gone past them.
Now kids, lets not have any more talk about the players being delisted and how naughty uncle mick is... Its time to go to sleep.
When you wake up, you'l see , everything will be all ok, uncle mick will be home with a shiny bag of new players, and you will all have fun playing with them. Night.

With Buddy going to GWS, well likely to, and Cameron there too we should look at Patton for the right price...High risk for high reward..

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..Sylvia may be gettable.. ..a bit of a meathead, but on the calming side down these days.. ..strong marking half fwd that can run thru the middle..

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