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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:00 pm 
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So we delist 8 players that have hardly played and were not part of the tripe wa dished up saturday night
How this suppose to help

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:05 pm 
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I reckon Duigan & Laidler will be traded. Dale is a bit unlucky IMO. If it's a shallow draft, it wouldn't surprise me if he & McCarthy end up on rookie lists somewhere. Ellard maybe a touch fortunate, but I don't begrudge him it.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:06 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
So we delist 8 players that have hardly played and were not part of the tripe wa dished up saturday night
How this suppose to help


Who would you have delisted from Saturday night's team (apart from maybe Duigan)?

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 8:12 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
So we delist 8 players that have hardly played and were not part of the tripe wa dished up saturday night
How this suppose to help


Easy.

We replace them with 8 players, some of whom we hope will play well enough to replace some of those in the 22 .... and we end up with a stronger team.

That's the theory anyway. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 9:44 pm 
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Khal Drogo. Full forward. Make it happen.

Sorry, very silly.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:28 pm 
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Khal Drogo. Full forward. Make it happen.

Sorry, very silly.


Strong Belwas at FB and Barriston the Bold in the middle. A Game Of Thrones Spine!! Instead of delistings we'll send unwanted players to the wall!

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 18, 2013 10:47 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
So we delist 8 players that have hardly played and were not part of the tripe wa dished up saturday night
How this suppose to help


First delistings are those that a) Have absolutely no trade value or b) Will not remain on your list regardless of what happens during trade week/free agency and the draft....

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 12:49 am 
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cecil89 wrote:
It seems wise to hold on to players with potential trade value and try to get a return on them rather than simply delisting them. Maybe such a strategy also seems wise to the club. We can still delist them later if we are unable to find a trade.

may also be like the Russell situation where we are trying to help a player get to a club of choice for a late draft pick.

for instance the western bulldogs might want laidler and even be haapy to upgrade our 4th rounder to secure him.

same for othe guys on the fringe like duigan, ellard and co


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 1:08 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
So we delist 8 players that have hardly played and were not part of the tripe wa dished up saturday night
How this suppose to help



how does keeping them on the list help.

simply delisting players who you may be able to trade would be foolish.

the pies delist didak knowing he has no trade value but have hung on to Shaw so thay can trade him.

your probably still pissed about the weekend but that comment doesn't seem to make much sense to me.


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2ndeffort wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
Khal Drogo. Full forward. Make it happen.

Sorry, very silly.


Strong Belwas at FB and Barriston the Bold in the middle. A Game Of Thrones Spine!! Instead of delistings we'll send unwanted players to the wall!

Throw Tyrion into the pocket and have him organise our mad Mondays.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 8:23 am 
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thegezman wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
It seems wise to hold on to players with potential trade value and try to get a return on them rather than simply delisting them. Maybe such a strategy also seems wise to the club. We can still delist them later if we are unable to find a trade.

may also be like the Russell situation where we are trying to help a player get to a club of choice for a late draft pick.

for instance the western bulldogs might want laidler and even be haapy to upgrade our 4th rounder to secure him.

same for othe guys on the fringe like duigan, ellard and co


...and don't forget, only 22 players are named each week out of a list of 40 or so, so there will always be a dozen or more players 'on the fringe' regardless.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:28 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
2ndeffort wrote:
TheSwan wrote:
Khal Drogo. Full forward. Make it happen.

Sorry, very silly.


Strong Belwas at FB and Barriston the Bold in the middle. A Game Of Thrones Spine!! Instead of delistings we'll send unwanted players to the wall!

Throw Tyrion into the pocket and have him organise our mad Mondays.


Love the thought of Tyrion running around crumbing to Drogo.

With Drogo going nuts at full forward a Brownlow would be a monty, no backman would come near him!. Imagine Khaleesi (Daenerys Targaryen) at Brownlow night...yum! :cool: Bec Judd would be a distant memory.

I'm sure her dragons would be useful as well...maybe they could be used against "Fat Vlad" and his evil empire.

Gotta love Game of Thrones...roll on season 4

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:50 am 
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If the rumors are true we will have a very different list next year.

Eight players gone and at least another 4-5 to go over next 3-6 weeks.

Discussions with guys like Staker & Cross and probably more that we don't know about.

Heavily into Daisy Thomas via FA.

On top of that if we can't get another 1-2 genuine midfielders we trade to improve our position in the draft.

Laidler & Duigan at best will get a speculative player or a late draft pick.

Hampson, Yarran, Lucas, Garlett may be able to generate some better picks if traded.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:56 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
If the rumors are true we will have a very different list next year.

Eight players gone and at least another 4-5 to go over next 3-6 weeks.

Discussions with guys like Staker & Cross and probably more that we don't know about.

Heavily into Daisy Thomas via FA.

On top of that if we can't get another 1-2 genuine midfielders we trade to improve our position in the draft.

Laidler & Duigan at best will get a speculative player or a late draft pick.

Hampson, Yarran, Lucas, Garlett may be able to generate some better picks if traded.


Make it happen Mick..

Its been 18 years since a Premiership and enough is enough with this era of mediocrity......

TIME TO BE RUTHLESS....


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 9:58 am 
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I have a problem with speaking to Staker and Cross. We should be heavily into Adams, Martin and other younger guys.

As a matter of fact, Adams and Martin should be our number 1 priority. So should checking the availability of Patton.

This path we are taking, has me very very nervous.........

DP all over again...... Geez.

Why oh why would we enterain trading Garlett as well ? Sure, lets trade all our goalkickers. If true Betts is going, why would be also trade our leading goalkicker in Garlett.

Oh yeh, so we can bring in Staker and Cross ?? No idea, thankfully some of you are not list managers.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:06 am 
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I would not want Dustin Martin anywhere near our club.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:08 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
Why oh why would we enterain trading Garlett as well ? Sure, lets trade all our goalkickers. If true Betts is going, why would be also trade our leading goalkicker in Garlett.

Oh yeh, so we can bring in Staker and Cross ?? No idea, thankfully some of you are not list managers.


:roll: It's a summary of what is happening.

Where did I say trade Garlett to bring in Staker or Cross?? They would cost stuff all.

Also, Garlett may be our leading goalkicker this year but where did it get us??? and when it mattered how well did he do?

My personal opinion is that EVERYONE is tradeable. We have been too slow and conservative for too long. For example if we could trade Kruezer for Boyd I would jump at it.

If a trade can improve our list I'm all for it whoever it is.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:22 am 
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Getting old players and getting rid of young ones will not improve our list long term.

We are conservative. If we wanted a risk, we would back ourselves to get Martin and put processes in place to ensure we get the best out of him.

We should be going all out for Adams and other young guys from GWS, Gold Coast and good teams ie Geelong who are not getting a go or who want to come home.

Instead we are going after Daisy (dont mind this one), Staker and Cross.

Seriously. Thinking short term is going to set us back years again, like in the DP era.

Smart trading would be too trade Carazzo, Hampson, Kruezer (only for a big deal), Lucas and maybe even Yarren (only for a big deal).

We are too conservative as a club.

When did we ever trade picks to move up the draft. When did we ever try and make a deal for a 17 year old that GWS or Gold Coast had in which they had to trade for. ie Hogan.

We instead take the short term solutions. I thought those days were over.

Richmond is being smart and targetted players for need in last years trade period.

What need do Cross and Staker fill. Its not like they are older champions or anything. Its not like they are Paul Chapman or Stevie J in which you would consider taking to be the cherry on top.

And even though they wont cost as 'much' as you put it, it will disgruntle young players and also take up spaces on the list. Then young players not getting a go will move on.

You have seen it yourselves, we only put young guys in when we have injuries to the senior blokes, otherwise we would not see them.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:23 am 
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Martin won't be coming to Carlton,most likely he will be going back to Richmond with his tail between his legs, Adams has stated a preference to be traded to Collingwood or Richmond and Paton is a huge risk considering his injury troubles.

As far as trading Yarran and Garlett goes, i'd prefer we kept Garlett with Eddie seemingly gone but if it was going to get us something good i wouldn't be against letting him go.

We need to build our forward line around a couple of good KPFs, cant be relying on a small forward being our main source of goals.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 19, 2013 10:34 am 
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Why haven't we convinced Adams? Why have we lost out on such a young, good player?
These are my issues with this current admin. We don't get these young guns to want to come to us.


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