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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:39 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013.

Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address.

IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class.

My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial.

This is what I would be looking at:

1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene?
2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc.
3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW!
4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add?
5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO.
6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is.

This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013.

*Above was my original post to start this topic in July 2012. Not much has changed??? :?


Hardly any revelations that warrant a "told you so" in there psych.
Where's the killer blow? :smile:

We know we're going to go in hard. We knew that 4 months ago which is a good starting point. Let's hope we've already laid the necessary ground work.

Will be interesting as to who are named in the first list cull. I'd suggest Davies, Joseph, Dale, Collins, Mitchell and possibly Duigan may be very nervous right now.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:41 am 
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deano35 wrote:
Delist:
Joseph
Davies
Duigan
Mitchell
Mcarthy
Mclean
White
Ellard
O'Keefe
Collins

Retire:
Scotland

Trade if possible:
Laidler
Hampson
Lucas
Yarran
Watson

I think we have the right man at the helm to leave us in better shape and make some hard calls.
If we could get thomas, adams, selwood and shuey then we will be better next year.
We also must Rookie Kane Lambert and try and get Mitch Hallahan

I think we will be big players in the trade period.
Interesting times ahead.


The coach says we need midfielders and suddenly the list has massive powers of recuperation - not very subtle.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:41 am 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013.

Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address.

IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class.

My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial.

This is what I would be looking at:

1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene?
2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc.
3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW!
4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add?
5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO.
6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is.

This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013.

*Above was my original post to start this topic in July 2012. Not much has changed??? :?


Hardly any revelations that warrant a "told you so" in there psych.
Where's the killer blow? :smile:

We know we're going to go in hard. We knew that 4 months ago which is a good starting point. Let's hope we've already laid the necessary ground work.

Will be interesting as to who are named in the first list cull. I'd suggest Davies, Joseph, Dale, Collins, Mitchell and possibly Duigan may be very nervous right now.


Harks, it's not I told you so it's more of nothing much has changed.

My biggest criticism is the lack of turnover of players over the past few years. We have recruited poorly BUT we haven't made tough decisions on players that should of been made over the past few years.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 10:47 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

Harks, it's not I told you so it's more of nothing much has changed.

My biggest criticism is the lack of turnover of players over the past few years. We have recruited poorly BUT we haven't made tough decisions on players that should of been made over the past few years.


It didn't change because we had our hands tied. Showed up to be some of the worst list management in recent times.

Can't change the past and we've spent our frustrations for it.

We know what to expect now and we've heard all the talk so the CFC best do what they've been saying they'll do, or there will be cause for real heat.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:00 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013.

Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address.

IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class.

My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial.

This is what I would be looking at:

1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene?
2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc.
3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW!
4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add?
5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO.
6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is.

This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013.

*Above was my original post to start this topic in July 2012. Not much has changed??? :?


Hardly any revelations that warrant a "told you so" in there psych.
Where's the killer blow? :smile:

We know we're going to go in hard. We knew that 4 months ago which is a good starting point. Let's hope we've already laid the necessary ground work.

Will be interesting as to who are named in the first list cull. I'd suggest Davies, Joseph, Dale, Collins, Mitchell and possibly Duigan may be very nervous right now.


Harks, it's not I told you so it's more of nothing much has changed.

My biggest criticism is the lack of turnover of players over the past few years. We have recruited poorly BUT we haven't made tough decisions on players that should of been made over the past few years.

but u want s okeefe to stay???

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:13 am 
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Synbad wrote:
but u want s okeefe to stay???


What do you see Synbad?

I see O'Keeffe more likely to go than to stay but along with the likes of White, Buckley and McCarthy he's one of those players that may just be on the knifes edge.

Who do you think will be culled this week? This week only.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:14 am 
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Synbad wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
There is a lot of discussion now that our season is effectively over on the list for 2013.

Along with the coach I believe that this is the MOST vital issue to address.

IMO we have some real talent on our list. We have some match winners and some class.

My issue is the depth and injuries have really shown us up in the area. However, I also believe we aren't far off and as such this years trade period will be absolutely crucial.

This is what I would be looking at:

1. Put the three ruckman on the market and hope to get a really great offer on one. e.g. Hampson to GC for Caddy or Warnock to GWS for Greene?
2. Really cut our list of average players in the system for a while. Bower, Russell, Thornton, White, Kerr, Heyne, Carter etc.
3. Free agency is now in. Can we get a big bodied mid to help us NOW!
4. Trades. We don't have much apart from the ruckman as detailed above or an early pick. Can we get some good young talent to add?
5. Should be a strong draft. 3-4 good kids added to the list. Please do not go with the speculative third rounder again. I like Rowe and Duigan but why did we not use a late or rookie pick? Poor IMO.
6. Mature aged. Now becoming more vital. Is there a Barlow, Magner, Zorko out there? Im sure there is.

This October/November could well determine a top 4 spot in 2013.

*Above was my original post to start this topic in July 2012. Not much has changed??? :?


Hardly any revelations that warrant a "told you so" in there psych.
Where's the killer blow? :smile:

We know we're going to go in hard. We knew that 4 months ago which is a good starting point. Let's hope we've already laid the necessary ground work.

Will be interesting as to who are named in the first list cull. I'd suggest Davies, Joseph, Dale, Collins, Mitchell and possibly Duigan may be very nervous right now.


Harks, it's not I told you so it's more of nothing much has changed.

My biggest criticism is the lack of turnover of players over the past few years. We have recruited poorly BUT we haven't made tough decisions on players that should of been made over the past few years.

but u want s okeefe to stay???


I think you will find I have said I will have no issue if he is kept but will understand if he isn't. That is a reflection of where we are at. O'Keefe has the qualities to be an AFL player but can't stay on the park.

If he is delisted I have no issue with it.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:18 am 
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Club should trade players who aren't stars but maybe have some currency, like a Hampson or Laidler etc, and get as many picks as possible and just draft mids and mids and mids

Land more Graham's

Then get Daisy

And maybe (?) do a big trade for a Boyd or Patton, if that's possible and not selling the farm. Reality is pick 9 would most likely land us a good young mid so it's a big call to trade that away plus some to get a Boyd


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:20 am 
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My guess is this week we will say goodbye to:

Davies
Mitchell
Buckley
Dale
Scotland
OKeefe
Collins
Joseph

maybe

McCarthy
Duigan

Other decisions will be made after trade week.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:23 am 
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We might as well keep Buckley for another couple years.
He is very quick and can find the goals.
Needs a couple more pre seasons and if we are losing the amigos...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:25 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
My guess is this week we will say goodbye to:

Davies Mitchell Buckley Dale Scotland OKeeffe Collins Joseph

maybe

McCarthy Duigan

Other decisions will be made after trade week.


10 players this week? Quite possible and would have the whole competition talking about us. Interesting.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:28 am 
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Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
We might as well keep Buckley for another couple years.
He is very quick and can find the goals.
Needs a couple more pre seasons and if we are losing the amigos...


He's already gone Menzel.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:28 am 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
My guess is this week we will say goodbye to:

Davies Mitchell Buckley Dale Scotland OKeeffe Collins Joseph

maybe

McCarthy Duigan

Other decisions will be made after trade week.


10 players this week? Quite possible and would have the whole competition talking about us. Interesting.


A few are rookies.

What would you do Harks?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:44 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
We might as well keep Buckley for another couple years.
He is very quick and can find the goals.
Needs a couple more pre seasons and if we are losing the amigos...


He's already gone Menzel.


And why do you believe something posted in the rumour file of Bigfooty?

My mail is that Malthouse likes him. But, like Graham, needs to bulk up a bit.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:46 am 
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CarltonClem wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
We might as well keep Buckley for another couple years.
He is very quick and can find the goals.
Needs a couple more pre seasons and if we are losing the amigos...


He's already gone Menzel.


And why do you believe something posted in the rumour file of Bigfooty?


Who said it was on Bigfooty? Never read it. :?

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:54 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
We might as well keep Buckley for another couple years.
He is very quick and can find the goals.
Needs a couple more pre seasons and if we are losing the amigos...


He's already gone Menzel.


And to think people were aching for a club to bid their first rounder for him so as to prove his 'worth'. The 'tough love' mentality has dominated since we were found out back in 2002.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:55 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
A few are rookies.

What would you do Harks?


That doesn't really matter but best guess would be 5-6 de-listed this week, rookies included.
To move on more in the first cull could be risky and to a point somewhat unnecessary but if a statement needs to be made, then so be it.

Hard to put much of a case forward for Davies, Joseph, Mitchell, Dale and Collins in particular, along with Scotland retiring.
There would be nil currency for any of those guys so best to do the right thing by them and the CFC.

Wouldn't be surprised for an announcement as soon as Monday. What's the point in holding back?


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:55 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Menzel_Mayhem wrote:
We might as well keep Buckley for another couple years.
He is very quick and can find the goals.
Needs a couple more pre seasons and if we are losing the amigos...


He's already gone Menzel.



Really? :0
Jimmy wont be happy. Im putting trust in MM to do the right thing.
Time for big changes :)


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 11:59 am 
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Id like us to keep White ...
I like the way he goes about it


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Am I right in thinking Malthouse said he made 12 changes after their premiership year?


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