I'm the Malthouse group as well. Conference confirmed my thoughts.

..ppl questioning Roos' commitment to the cause don't know him very well.. ..i will say this though, i think it will take longer to correct the shambles that is the MFC.. ..the only thing i'm wary of however, is that Roosy seems intent on lining up his successor very soon, as in weeks/few months at the most.. ..and i think he needs a year at least at the club to figure out who will be able to handle the club, as well as carry on his legacy and bring about lasting cultural change.. ..which i think will need years..

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..in saying all this, am very happy with MM.. ..you can't wait a year [or more] to maybe land a given coach.. ..can make lasting damage to the playing list, off-field staff, etc etc,, with no promise the coach you're after will want you..

..plus i'm actually a MM fan, players in his teams have always [for the most part] spoken very strongly of him, played for him, and given everything for him.. ..and likewise never a doubt how much MM will bleed for his players..

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I think Mick is a better fit for our boys club culture. He is cleverly creating his own boys club. Not saying Roosy is not a strong personality, but I think Mick might be a bit more forceful. Then again I maybe completely wrong.

I'm not remotely confident Roos would have come to Carlton anyway. I know this is a theoretical debate, but I couldn't see him wanting to come to Carlton in its current guise.

But...

As a football coach, I'd go Roos. As a coach who can perhaps address some of the failings of the broader club leadership, I'd go Malthouse. Needless to say, with the 2nd raters we have in the boardroom and executive, we're not a club that can go for a young coach. We just don't have the support structure for anyone still finding their way (i.e., a Ratten) to prosper.

Would've been happy with Roos though. But I think he's pretty chuffed to be walking into an AFL-Sanctioned turnaround situation, much like he had in Sydney.

To me, Roos seems to have lost the passion to coach.
Why else wouldn't he commit long term to a Club who needs massive rebuilding.
MM always seems up for a challenge. Up for the fight. Roos no longer does, and this appointment proves that, as he's already organised his exit strategy and he hasn't even begun yet.

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The one thing I love about Roos is his apparent ability to create great people around him. Compare Lyon and Longmire to Neeld and Watters.

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Good point. But I wonder how much of that is Roos and how much of that is the Sydney organisation as a whole.

I know in our business at the moment, we are reaping the rewards of having very high quality people leading the five key areas of our business, so there's a strong collective energy in the place. We are performing well (it's a turnaround story), but there is no individual you could isolate for the credit... we all make each other look good.

I believe in teams of quality leaders, not in lone messiahs. But yes, Roos might be one of those people who can elevate those around him. I guess the next couple of years will be instructive. Melbourne can only improve, that's for sure.

Not sure if I'd want to be the senior coach at Carlton. I've seen too many people (in my industry at least) utterly destroyed by accepting a senior management position with high expectations attached to it, in an environment ill-suited to high performance. The results are always catastrophic for those involved.

Roos wanted a coaching gig too much on his own terms - max dollars, minimum accountability. In walks AD with money he could only dream of, supported by a likely 2 year cushy stint, yep he got his wish alright.

Nah, I'm happy with MM thank you, a coach with passion and the stomach for a challenge.

saw a bit on the teev, can't help but feel that Roos is creaming this for all he can get. A huge investment for two years (with a third option). Also found the talk about succession a bit weird, I mean he's not even in the chair yet, why the friggin' hell would he be talking about a successor. Just not sending the right messages to me.

Quite happy to stick with Mick, certainly agree with the comments about how his players love him and he bleeds for them.

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A great out really, talking about leaving on the day you are announced. No need for them to look anywhere near a finished article when he walks because its expected that he's going, we already know when. They just need to show some signs. If all turns to gold he can always have a change of heart and continue the ride.
Its almost like the fail-proof Sheedy -GWS role

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Neither, get Ross Lyon!

Our players can't handle a Malthouse level of defense, how the hell would they handle Lyon's über defense?

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Oh yeah,like where....................at the Pies with Nathan and Mick ! Pft !...................and dont tell me Parko and Britts,coz thats where our troubles started.When Parko decided he didnt want to coach it should have been bye,bye,thank you very much,we wil decide who will coach The Carlton Football Club coz its ours not yours.

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After watching Freo dismantle Geelong today it's hard to argue with this. (the "get Lyon" point, not the "we couldn't handle it" point).

Watch the Roos love dry up about 10 rounds in.

Wayne Brittain can take credit for half of Ross Lyon's development.

McKenna, Brad Scott and Buckley are travelling OK after working with Malthouse.

The decline began when we let this guy go.
Could've still been coaching us today. Bloody great football brain
Had the 'grip and release' style working a treat in 2000 and 2001
Forward thinker!!!

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Pfft.

McKenna? My grandmother could coach Garry Ablett plus 27 top ten picks.

Brad Scott? Sounds intelligent, but so did Tim Watson. How many 55 point leads at three quarter time can you give up?

Buckley? Surely you jest?

I quite like Mick. But as a breeder and developer of good successors, he's a long second to Roos.

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Lyon is a genius, Longmire fine - but both have had success with good, mature lists. Neeld and Watters were given basket cases.

Neeld is obviously a born Senior Assistant (euphemism for tactical genius / social retard / rain man - see Brett Ratten)
Watters has made no real impression.

Lyon served under Parkin didn't he? So did woosha.

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