what i think most of us agree with is the club is lagging and has lost its way.....
the people at the top dont want to be disturbed by an X Ray into the club... they dont.
they want to continue on trying to fix this without being told what they have done are doing wrong...
oblivious to fault and criticism and recommendation they will continue on blindly.. (getting slppy thirds in from collingwood) and appointing in mates and in some cases not making any changes whatsoever...

Its what they have been doing for years now.

1 flag in 26 years....
even collingwood have 2.


i flag in 26 years is ummmm below average....

sticks should think about that....

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Selective numbers maybe? You could have gone for 2 in 27 years but that doesn't suit the argument. Does it?

There are deficiencies but in all our fervour we can choose to shoot at anything that walks.

If someone has some good ideas on how the fans can be part of making things better, I'm all ears otherwise it's all a lot of work for nothing.........isn't it?

no i prefer to say that 87 belonged to another era.. remember we declined soon after that.. picked up due to williams.. and declined again since...

and its still 1 flag in 26 years...


well theyre few
were many
often they want is to feel hopeless
and they want us to believe we cant do anything

i say hot the radios... tell your friends we need an independent review of the footy club from top to bottom
we have no leader.. we are many ...
they are few....

but before we can do anything .. we need to get awareness out there at grass roots.

wont happen with just me... needs to be a groundswell of support..!!!

right now... people are resigned to the fact that they no longer have ownership to their own club
people beieve the club belongs to the pratts the mathiesons the sticks and dr edelsten

thats what these people would like us to believe
they also want us to believe that without their support the club would be swallowed up by the bermuda triangle..(doesnt exist of course)....

but thats what they want us to believe.

even surrey believes we need to not tamper with that circle of trust that exists between the various oligarchs

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Does anyone here think we have things right, at the top of the tree?
Let's have a show of hands.

Seriously. If Carlton fans really want to go further than just throw around some nasties on football boards, let's see the ins and the outs.
Maybe I'm just overly optimistic but get the right team together and things can happen.
A clear objective, a clear line of sustained attack and the voice may just be heard.
Otherwise, it's just status quo and frankly, all just a little bit boring.


P.S.It should be #believe

Viva Le Revolution



Too soon

Regards Cazzesman

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As usual harker, I tend to find myself agreeing with about 90% of what you say.

But let's call a spade a spade. The recruiting record from drafts over the last decade has been a shambles. The recruiting outside of top five picks has not been good enough to get this club into a position to seriously challenge for flags. And please don't trot out the 'but what about development' excuse. We took known injury risks, soccer players, physical shapes over football ability, you name it. We took stupid risks and int he main paid for them. I will never forget the chortling after the Mitchell/McArtney debacle.

Why does Wayne Hughes still hold a position at this football club? He didn't do a good enough job when he was in the chair. That to me says everything about how much this club really wants success vs really wanting to talk about it. I agree with you that the new blood should be given a chance to prove they have more of a clue than Hughes (not a high bar I am setting for them there, granted).

I'm sure he's a great bloke and probably sounds very impressive when he bangs on in footy speak. Unfortunately his proof is in the limp, flaccid pudding he delivered. How's this for another question. How quickly would Hughes get a job at any other AFL club as a head recruiter... Or any kind of recruiter for that matter?

oh the police patrol is here!!!!!

you see cazzesman 2 can play your game...



you dont want a full internal report of the club do u???

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Taking away any knowledge of the fact that you may have some connection to the club, what do you think? Really think?
I've posed some questions your way, but they're either avoided or my post count doesn't qualify me worthy of an answer.

All the banter and the verbal volleying doesn't really mean much when it's all said and done but it's clear that many aren't happy for some aspects of the way our club is currently being run.
I have my own reservations but I can't say that I'm right but I can only ask those that feel really strong about something to have a voice beyond the blue background on this board.

In the wise words of a former coach. "Do Something"
That's not a bad thing is it?

i think we need to make people aware tht they can do something
that they can make a difference

once there are people aware.. it will snowball

if people dont end up caring enough and are happy with where this club is at.. well i fear for it
if people dont speak up.. and allow themselves to be hushed by the guard dogs of status quo that is mediocrity .. weve lost and were melbourne

if enough people accept whats going on we are the next melbourne..

this bunch of people wont fix things.. theyre the problem

say no to being bullied by mediocrity!!!

This is the Carlton football club!!!

If you thi nk its funny using a Greek demontrator as your photo... i have another things for you



my sense of humour is as good as anyones...mr cazz....

Go on give it to me!!!

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you dont care????

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I suspect your funny bone was removed many years ago hence you inability to see my mirth at much of what is posted here.

You are all for everyone having an an opinion on TC except me it appears at this point in time. Well much of my opinion is that the majority of stuff here makes me LOL. Your angst, your megawatt passion, your OTT desire for some relevance within this small community is hilarious. I hope Lewis CK and Larry David are reading some of this stuff because there is hours and hours of material.

You are now trying to paint me as an obstacle to your greater good but blind freddie can see I am a mere Greenie infront of a Bulldozer. No-one could gag you even if they had the slightest inclination. It would be like trying to tie down the Hulk with fine cotton.

Now I know you will bait me about 'How I think the failures of Carlton is funny to me'. But that is not the Case I can assure you. You are funny but Carlton has made me sad of late. But you cheer me up no end.

You are angry at me because I won't dish any perceived dirt or criticise people I work along side. Nothing more nothing less. Get over it. It ain't gonna happen.

Your Opinion is it is all a lost cause. My opinion is different.

So don't paint me as the bad guy simply because I am the only one you can reach to vent at. It is like yelling at the dish washer because the chef ruined your meal.

I won't help your Grand Design so find another dish washer to hurl abuse at.

If you want me to leave TC just because I won't be your poster child for righteous indignation then let me know.

Regards Cazzesman

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no cazz
im not angry at u....

i write what i wanna in regard to what is wrong the club

u criticise what i write....

i criticise u for criticisizing me

i dont care that u have your loyalties to people over the club... people that will come and go and yet the club is a constant thats been hurt by decisions these people you yourself say are loyal to

but dont try and stop me from shining the spotlight and placing the bow torch over underperforing areas around the club....


u should look inward towards how u have acted against me.. rather then outward on what i have been doing

if you notice mr cazz.. you have ridiculed me for having a go at the recruiting.. like somehow its my fault the recruiting and other aspects of the club are poor.

youre just being defensive..

my advice to you is if youre conflicted always step away so as you dont take criticism personally

dont ambush me...

i criticise the club.. including the coaches.. presidents... board members.. recruiters etc

YOU are the one defensive and goin g me..as a matter of fact for the first few months you would attac me for attacking the club (NOT YOU) i ignored it because of what i perceived was a friendship...

i still dont harbour any angst against you....

But you cannot turn the tide around and make it go back the other way... recruiting has been shambolic..ive been on the phone with ex board members today...and to your shock there are alot of pretty powerful people shocked at the state of the club.....

its no surprise is it???

are u surprised people are feeling the pinch???
are you surporised one of the areas people are feeling peeved with is recruitment??

push your loyalties to your people to one side for a minute and look at it from the persepctive of the average carlton punter...can u see why they are disatisfied??
do you really beieve its just a few people .. headed up by synbad.. who have a gripe and an itch to demolish something just for the hell of it???

if ou squash me ike a bug do you truly believe nobody else would have concerns?

yeah im vocal.. bombastic..maybe even a drop kick...!!!.. but am i wrong????

Your loyalty should not be to people.. it should be to the club!!!...
If your loyalty is to people who dont pay your wages.... (the club pays your wages).. you have a serious problem with more conflicted interests and "groupyism"

Boys club mentality......!!!.. something the club is struggling with big time..!!!

Consider the club and not the boys...!!!

M ight be hard.. and if it is hard... dont tae swipes at us.. understand us!!

Seriously man.. the club is not in a very very good position...!!!.. and there is a reason for that... the club is pretty rank from top to bottom!!!... there is no other reason..!!!.. its not a mistake.. its a bunch of wrong options and missed opportunities over a long period of time...

try and understand *us*....people who have no loyalty to people around the club .. but the club itself...!!!

Believe me.. you cannot beat this!!!... you just cant..!!!... all those missed opportuities have now come back to @#$%&! us...!!!

I have nothing personal against you.. and you know it..!!!.. youve been more personal towards me than i have towards YOU...!!!.. and you know it!!!
But if youre going to fling shit at me.. dont be surprised if i wipe some off myself and come after you with it.. in a not personal way ....!!!... though i am an emotional character.. and i did bite my tongue for a while.. gets to a stage where i need to fight fire with fire and learn how to post up pictures...

just remember ....... conflicted interest!!!...

the club pays your wages.. not one man at the club or a collection of people at the club
they dont exist there if it wasnt for the club.. thats what youre forgeting!!!

noone does... and the club is us... not them!!!

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and no i dont want u to leave TC

i want you to understand the concept of conflicted interest.. and how you treat what u write here.

its just a realisation.. youve had your fun with me and keogh etc



so maybe stop crtiticising us for our view and have a view on the club yourself.. not us...!!


musical chairs you play if youre confident youll find a chair when the music stops...!!!

you gave it to us.. the music has stopped and you looked around and there is no chair for u..!!!

Thats not my fault mate!!!..

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Apathy FTW!

Reckon people need to get off Wayne Hughes's back.................maybee the club thought that he just happened to be a very good second banana.Hughes might not be a Graham Kennedy but a very good Bert Newton.Perhaps Hughes provides great insight but the final decision is betterleft to someone else.After all guys,some blokes make great assistants but are not suited to the main job.Leave the bloke alone.

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Rubbish. Hughes and Rodgers should be shown the door immediately, just like all the long list of Carlton delisted and failed recruits that Hughes (and then Rodgers) selections since 2004 that have failed...

Synbad why are you against Rogers?
He had 3 picks last year and got us 2 good ones?
Also the club has restructured the coaching and recruiting departments
Yes we lack leadership at board level but no one wants to be president
You can not say the club hasn't tried to change

Rogers and Hughes have been breathing each others air before Carlton .. since Freo.
I dont think its a good idea to wait 5 years for Rogers to see if hes any good.
Their mentality has already been formed.
A childs most formative years are its first five ...... Theirs have already developed .
People work with patterns in life.... They have developed a liking for particular things and they look for those aspects.
I see what we have been taking and what Freo were taking and the same types.

I dont think its a good idea to wait to see.. the best thing is just clear the nest and start again . .. were investing hundereds of thousands of dollars.. and its the lifeblood of the club

Did he bring us 2 good ones?

Menzel i would have chosen.
Temay is a small back pocket... (choose later if availabe or dont bother- see Rowe with Hughes and Ratts).. he cant play midfield as he isnt extra good at finding the ball.. and he doesnt have any killer weapons.... hes 'neat'
Dont listen to what Cazzesman is saying (he already admits his blind loyaalty to these men)by round 3 we were out of ideas...(remember we found a small back pocket with no real weapons but he could run with our second rounder) and Stevo had implored us to give Graham a look in...
The key here is pick round 2...

Rookies?... rookied Collins.. and Cachia.... thats the extent of our imagination.
One guy Synbad would have chosen
One guy who is a neat small defender... 179 cms
One guy Nick Stevens told us we should look at in VERY strong terms...

2 rookies who were pre lists.

The key to judge him is the second rounder....

Rogers has worked closely with Hughes for 5 years.. and has been part of our recruiting probems as 2nd IC

Nice guy though......

But the DNA has been formed...

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Just on Nick Graham lets atleast put some facts out there.

I think Synbad is working on the old adage ..........'If I say something long enough and often enough people will start to believe it is true'

Perhaps the fact that Nick had an outstanding year in the TAC and won the Comps B&F award might indicate he can play.
Perhaps the fact he was close enough to BOG in the TAC Grand Final at Etihad with 25 poss, 5 mrks, 9 Tackles and a goal.
Perhaps the fact he had been a rock solid perform for Vic Country in the Under 18 Championships.
Perhaps the fact that he is an outstanding character who everyone spoke extremely highly of.
Perhaps the fact that in his first season in the VFL (after no pre-season) his performances have been exceptional and his 2 games in the AFL showed he is not far off the pace already.
Perhaps the fact that Nick was probably watched by 10 different people over the season and rated highly by all of them might suggest we thought he could play alittle.

Of Course Nick Stevens pumped him up. Why wouldn't he? He's a good player who was draft worthy. Can't deny that fact. But for Synbad to suggest we were blind to Grahams ability all but for the advice of Stevo is bordering on the 'Bit rich' level of story telling.

Regards Cazzesman

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