Too late. You can't pick and chose. It's about perception. Cazz is involved with the club. Of that there is no question. Imagine if a board member, player, media person etc. acted that way?

Not once has he ever given a serious and constructive answer to any question regarding the recruitment of players.

You may see it as puerile but I see it as a reflection of what is wrong with our club. His attitude towards people on this website can't be condoned. He is a employee (volunteer) of the club. OUR club. He is also part of a division that rivals NBN Corp. By any measurement they are a massive failure.

We have a vital trade and draft period coming up in the next few weeks. Absolutely Vital. How can anyone have confidence in this group?

As I have said if this was a public or private business the people employed would be sacked. Do the board
or CEO know of these postings? If so, do they support them?

Unfortunately we have a club in disarray and people on here get away with childish remarks and innuendo.

Let the review begin.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

oh so youre saying people dont get into each other in the real world???

noones gunna get bashed buddy.. i know cazz and gilly and half this site "in the real world" never been bashed by any of them....

but i dont wanna be cyber bashed by people on here with a bunch of unaccountable bullshit!
The recruiting list management.. development.. direction of this footy club is disgusting.. and if cazzesman wants to get into me for bringing it up its his right!!!..but he needs to have a case... just like any copper would need to have a case if theyre going to make an arrest....

this club has drifted along way too long for a guy to swing blind punches every time he hears any kind of murmuring of discontent.

recruitment and development and the club is shit!!!... lets not get stuck into people just because they point that out

over at bimberblitz people get banned for asking questions...thats what happens when people have their heads up their ass!!!

ideally.. cazz would be smart to separate his work from our debates...!!!

i know it s hard... but that is what a professional would be doing..

now an amateur ....he would be coming on here throwing haymakers at every flower that utters a word of disconetent.. hoping that stupidity and inepness isnt brought up....

Professionals dont get caught u in arguments they cant win.. they get their results to do the talking....

Our blokes.. they wanna @#$%&! up.. and defend the @#$%&! ups from any discord..

not for a year ... but a decade!!!!

@#$%&! ups are nothing alien to them... they dont care!!1.. there is no such thing as a @#$%&! up!!!
There is no accountability with these people... they dont care.. one year... five years... ten years...all you flowers!!.. suck up our fuckups!!1.. dont compain...!!!...u have no right to be alarmed about any @#$%&! ups we do..!!!

We are in a world where this no accountability... and if you complain.. we will tell you youre a dick!!.. you dont know what youre tallking about.. and you never played footy at a high level...
Classic sycophant cronyism behaviour!!!

Dont tell me what to do or say...... if i think the recruitment dept is shit ill say it!!..if i think you blokes have set us back years... ill say it...!!!....


Now Graham.. was a good get by Stevo for the club!!!!!....
Make no mistake.. even if Graham wont be a superstar...he is still better than what Rogers/Hughes would have thought about picking up left to their own devices(Temay a 178 cms back pcket with no weapons that come to mind 20 odd picks prior)

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Ah yes, I forgot you were on TBV as well, was Synbad on TBV as well? I must admit after reading too many of his 23407 posts on TC it's all become a blur (although strangely enough they all seem to reduce down to the same 10 ideas!).

one of those ten ideas.. is were poorly run and we must make a clean break!!!...

still not a bad idea after all those posts and all those years.. most people have not come to terms with it...yet!!!

People dont listen... i wish they would have ... i would haave come up with more ideas... but when people dont get the fundamentals whats the point???

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Sums it up perfectly!

As I said a reflection on what is happening at our club.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Cazz has no real world views....

his views

"we are young"... (to the music of benetars love ia a battlefield)
"anyone who has any criticism about recruting must be a



Thats the extent of his valuable views...

Theyre crap!!!

Does he even understand the concept of conflicted interest and being taken seriously ???

noooooooo he doesnt...!!!... and thats why he continues to express his "views"

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Not every post on here is about you Synbad, and mine certainly wasn't.

In the scheme of things you are reasonably harmless.

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thanks cimm....

and i thought i was one of the people and i can only talk about myself not being bashed up by anyone here... cant talk about the others.....
but guessed noone would be as many seem to know each other..

i think youre harmless yourself too... so that goes against your argument .. and pro mine.. seeing we can only talk about us...

but if anybody wants to boost cimm with his amazing theories.. anybody who has been bashed by another TCer say "Aye"
Lets give it a few days dimmy.. and return to it an see what our net yields..

one of us will be right.. the other wrong.. if its you.. it wont be your first time..

So lets say we revisit after sunday?????

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As I understand it your argument is if we win it's because MM has worked wonders and if we lose it will be the recruiters fault. Is this about right?.

I don't suggest the list is so healthy it should be a top 4 side, but I do think that it was good enough to not have to rely on the Bombers falling out to make it.

I'm just not prepared to let MM have a free pass and neither should you.

Sunday is the day and I'm ok about our chances, but its only 50/50 still, we've played some reasonable footy in the last 3 weeks, but we've also played some shit.

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I hope Essendon* folds.

no my argument is... we need a full independent review of the whole footy club from top to bottom.

when have i deviated from that being central???

its been years ive been saying it!!!

no we simply must win!!!... no excuses...

but because Rich ond were behind us and Miller had destroyed them and if they come over the top of us.... with Cazzesman telling us what a gun recruiting tea we have had...and got!!...

Something has to give.. !!!

And in this case....if we cant get over a hapless Richmond with a hapless 30 years.. and a hapless Miller in charge of recruitment..

#GodHelpEverybody

#StandbyCazzesman

See.. we have been lied to!!!...
We have been cheated!!!
We have been shooshed!!
We have been tricked!!!
WE HAVE BEEN SCREWED!!!

We have been anyway... by the machine.. but this is all of that and more out there exposed for all to see...

And this is why Cazzesman should not be knocking me if i have an opinion about the recrutmeent and the club...

he just makes me more galvanised...steeled..determined... focussed..!!!

the two best players we have drafted in the last 13 or so years... are Fev and Simmo.. (if u dont include top 3 picks but you can arguably include them..)

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Sorry to interrupt but back a few pages people were viewing a lack of NRS nominations as a sign of failed drafting. I think it has to be kept in mind that GC & GWS have had the cream of the draft the last 4 odd years and played many of them from day one, which skews it in their favour.

not really teas with later picks have had nominations...
since 2010... there have been 66 nominations of which we have won none...

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more than 66 but under 70.. an we have won none...

Actually thin k about who we have draafted and how they have performed and whether theyre regulars...

None are regulars...

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I first met Caz and Synbad at Andys first training session (2004)whilst having a coffee(and the mandatory "dart", 'twas in the old Heatley stand. You guys were like brothers, explain to us all why the major fallout?

Normally I try and stay out of this shit... But really get a grip... If you think Caz or anyone really will give you an insight into the club on a site like this well...well @#$%&! me dead. Caz is on a hiding to nothing really. Yet he sticks up for the lads and tries to get people to show how the mistakes have been made, what they would have done or do differently etc...after all it is easy to bitch and moan but its a lot harder to actually come up with reasonable alternatives.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Synbad wants nothing less than an admission that Carlton's reruiting has failed miserably, and mass seppuku from anyone who's been involved in list management over the last 15 years.

I'm not defending our record but its a misleading measure; development is a big part of it as well. Top draft picks can make a club lazy I reckon. We do now need to see it all coming together to push us into top 4. Then, and only then, can we look attractive to prospective players and trade ready made players. Look at hawthorn getting gunston, lake, Burgoyne, Gibson, as well as developing their young talent. Success attracts those players but we have to get ourselves to top 4 first to attract them.

If they can't, stay out of it. As was mentioned its a reflection on the professionalism of the club. Simply shouldn't be on the site especially given the petulant crap he spouts.

To say other alternatives haven't been discussed, that he shows how mistakes have been made just shows you haven't been reading what has been discussed.

In the end this is about a club that is in its worst period in its history and that people responsible are still involved.

You may be okay with it but I'm not.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Oh so its all about you.

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Success is built by picking good players, developing them and a winning culture.

If you don't recruit properly how can we have any of it?

Not One NRS in the last 70. That is disgraceful.

Hawthorn are able to recruit others etc because they have recruited well, developed depth and as such have been in a strong position to trade. In reality what have we got to trade?

They also have the strength and knowledge to make changes in all areas when necessary.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015