I understand you have this months 'dead horse to flog'. Like death and taxes and night follows day. I'm fully aware you have your top 10 list of 'Horses' and you just move from one to the other to fill in your day.

Just exactly how much thought do you put into typing........'Temay is no good but I have no idea who else was better' or 'The Blues just picked Graham 'cause Nick Stevens told them to'.

Spare us all your 12 year old thought processes please.

Regards Cazzesman

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Not advocating that we go beserk in free agency period/trade period and blow the salary cap - always need to have a plan and 3 dimensions have to be seen as a package as a way to improving their list - draft trade and free agency mechanisms - Trade for players like gunston who want to go home (bloody hell -how good has this boy been and whatever hawthorn gave up was too little)
Also need to come up to speed with this quickly - bummers swans hawks tigers Collingwood and geelong all improved list during trade free agency period - all ended higher on the ladder - geelong are obviously bench mark - got caddy and rivers - improved list in free agency/trade period - surely we should learn from that

Rogers did say that mid year but then Geelong did go out and recruit Rivers, Caddy and McIntosh.

I don't think there can ever be one way only. The trick is to have a system in place but the capacity to move when need be.

Our start comes this year and as much as I don't wish bad on any of our players, I'd be disappointed if we haven't at the very least, 8 new faces next year.

Well if that's the case welcome to Carlton Jack Watts and Dale Thomas.

And our draftees from Round 4 and beyond.

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No, it just gives you the right to incessantly bleat with a really thin evidence base

They got Caddy with a compo pick IIRC and the others they got relatively cheap. Didn't overpay.

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Force them to trade is all well and good but we may get stuck with a 500k per season deal if they don't. Veterans list also impacts our rookie list I believe? Well there goes our midfield then...
I say offer him what we believe is good and fair... if he follows the money to the Crows then so be it. Quite happy to play Menzel in his place.

It also frees up $$$ for a Thomas and/or Watts etc

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GC guesstimated on what that compo pick may end up being. Looks like it won't be a complete win for them at this stage.

Whichever way the point was that you can never just take one path to list management and in this case, Geelong veered a little away from what they preached.

MY 12 year old thought process? You took 20 hbfers in 5 years and YOU were saying the same thing to me then..
And YES Nick Stevens recommended we take Graham...
We took Temay first.... you know.. the little diminutive back pocket player???


My 12 year old thought process? Ever wonder why a 12 year old thought process has been too fast to catch for all the gun recruiters we have.. and their collective thought process???

hundreds of thousands of dollars of investment for what you blokes have come up with..... HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS MAYBE EVEN MILLIONS....!!!.....

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I'll let you in on a little secret. When TAC Coaches talk to AFL Recruiters they all suggest 75% of their lists are draftable. It's what TAC Coaches do.

You truly are clutching at straws with that effort.

Regards Cazzesman

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oh the cavalry arrived....

Gilly...!!!!... another sycophant...

Look.. the proof is in the pudding..
The pudding is flat!!!....
Thats all we need to go on....

ok??

Unless your bullish with everything thats going on.. and you believe.. youre happy with where the club is at...

You.... Cazzesman.. Kouta... all on the same bus...but youre going the wrong @#$%&! way!!!

Dont worry.. i copped it three years ago from you blokes... im copping it still...!!!... i can handle it!!!.. you know why???

Cos when the pudding came out of the oven.....blind @#$%&! freddy and his dog can see you blokes had no flower clue!!!
But this is what my whole point is about breating the same oxygen....youre all sitting around a table looking at each other nodding... none of you wanting to get any other perspective.. trying to dismiss any opposite thought to the one thats been programmed into your little minds...
Youre still nodding at each other...you know there is something wrong... you just dont know what...!!!

My evidence eh??.... hmmmmmm... how about a massive restructuring of a list... after 11 years of nothingss and a bunch of early picks... actually an UNPRECEDENTED number of early picks,,,and the tea relying on rookies...

You might say you were clever to pick up a midfield of rookies... and half a side of rookies..
To which i would answer... then if youre so cleaver.. why did you pick up so many utter and complete duds with earlier picks ....why didnt you choose rookies in those slots and have more rookie pick hail marys???

To which you will tell me i have no idea!!!...

Just completing the dialogue between you,kouta, cazzesman and me.. so we can move on to list management being an issue because its been terrible as has the recruting..
Cos thats where it all starts and ends.... the alpha to omega...!!!

If you wish to continue on .. i can.... you just know i can......!!!.. but dont ask me for "evidence".... the evidence is all around you and the club

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hey cazz!!!... im just looking at results..!!!
Are you satisgied with your teams results???

Dont worry about your little secrets and Gillys tips... youre sounding very Hanke..

IS the recruiting to a standard this club is happy with?
Yes or No?

thats the crux of why we have a recruiting team... not to let me in on little secrets..!!!

So back to my questions ..
Why do we need a mini rebuild after one eliminational final win..
Are you satisfied?
What would you mark yourselves out of TEN for magnificent... EIGHT is very Good..(Wells)... and Zero is extremeley extremely poor.. (noone gets Zero...not even MElbourne...)

Well???

Pass is five..... would you give yourselves a pass ???

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Nick Stevens gave us 9.5

Go and goad someone else with your 12yr old thought processes.

Regards Cazzesman

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nice story, you're wasting your talents.....you can make lots of money with fantasy you know??...you could be the next EL James 50 pages of Synbad!!

Cazz.... you didnt answer the question..

Are you champion recruiters satisfield with your collective million dollar investment input into the club???

Ahhhhh thats one you dont wanna answer is it??
And yes the club knows Stevo put up a very high case for this boy to be recruited by us... think it had to do something with "nothing left after pick 30 again".....

After Nick you rookied Collins and Cachia.

That is the extent of your collective sub 12 year old thought process...

So Cazz... are you satisfied with the recruiting departments drafting???

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i have talents... the problem is the recruiters and their sycophants dont...

Rebuild time!!!!
Happy???
They need time...
Give them time.....
Be patient....

No good... delist....

Get a new lot in....

Give them time...
They need time....
Be patient...

Hey Gilly!!!.. im not even talking about the players drafted.. im talking about the recruiters here!!!!

Nice story??... no its not!!!.. it actually happened!!!!
We need time...

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Don't AGRO.
It might happen. (shudder).

For a sustained period of our recruiting history indicates we have a 33% strike rate. Three new draftees will walk through the doors at Visy Park and two of them won't make it. The one that makes it will either be good to average but not consistently elite. Our strike rate is 33% over a long period of time.

Cant be development or coaches.. Cazzesman has been a staunch supporter of our development and coaching staff over the years...

Look its not that we have a good recruiting team.. and bad development... or good development and bad recruiting... or good coach and shit CEO... or good marketing and bad something else... good prez but bad board.. or good board bad president and shit CEO

The club is POX!!!... the people inside the club are POX!!!...there might be some "good blokes"... or "good football people " there.... even guys "you can have a beer with "...

But theyre no good at what they do.... the club needs an independent review of the club from top to bottom....!!!
I know Cazzesman has a go at me for saying that.... im not making this shit up!!!... am i Gilly???... no story...!!!... Cazzes told me i always have an axe to grind now im "off Lucas and onto an independent review of the whole footy club from top to bottom"... like Cazzes thinks thats a bad thing...!!!

Either we need one... soon!!!... INCLUDING THE RECRUITMENT DEPT....!!!!!`.... or we have to count ourselves as unlucky and continue on what were doing....

Same heads(sub 12 y.o thinkers) involved... what will change???

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and people wonder why a lot of us are angry and frustrated?

You only have to read the responses of Cazz. Here is someone who has an intimate knowledge of our recruiting yet cannot answer a question sensibly or with any factual evidence. His responses are childish and as such are a poor reflection on the CFC whether he likes it or not. In the private sector he would be sacked for such remarks.

The fact is our recruitment over the past decade has been incredibly poor. There is no denying it.

Yet, the same people are still involved. I would really like someone to explain the Wayne Hughes move. Proven to be not up to it yet is demoted and not removed. From a pure business point of view it doesn't make sense. They have been hugely responsible (with others) for the worst decade or more in our clubs history. If they were true and genuine Carlton people they would resign.

If the recruitment of Williams is supposed to be a great deal why isn't he in charge?

Until we get this area right we will struggle and the sooner the whole department is cleaned out and replaced the better.

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