We are the "sweetener" team when it comes to trade time. We have always been the soft touch, it's actually our trade week strategy so we are seen as the "team to deal with", and where has it left us.

We sweetened the Judd deal by adding Josh Kennedy, we crafted the McLean deal about 1 month out from the official start of trade week, and ludicrously thought we could add some " steak knives" to the deal later and we collapsed like a house of cards during the Jacobs trade and bent ourselves over without lube, and gave up up a 2nd round draft pick for Warnock.

And if anyone brings up the Fevola trade as one in our favour, then please, that was a complete accident.

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What was the go with Temay?
What sort of player is he?

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You're not sure what I'm saying? Really?

Hmmm .... ok how about if I put it this way:

Every season we delist players. Every season since I've been following TC there will be a number of posts critical of the delistings because players x, y and/or z were going to become great players elsewhere. My point, in a thread that seems almost universally critical of our list management, is that history is showing that in fact this one area of list management that we do very well.

And you're correct about Russell and Austin. Their future will either support this trend or not. Austin's delisting in particular I recall generated a lot of criticism. So far I'm still waiting for him to show that we got it wrong.

O.K. I see.

Our recruitment hasn't been the best but neither has it been the worst and until we can truly get a handle of the recruitment/development bond, we're really only stabbing in the dark.
e.g. What do we think would have happened should have we recruited Pyke and Sydney Hampson?

There are many factors why some players will come on and where and there's a very good reason for that.
There are only so many self-driven players about and the rest need to be moulded into the system.
Get all the cogs right in that mechanism and you have a much better chance at getting the best out of the individual and in turn the team.

Malthouse is going about things the right way so we can only hope that he doesn't run out of puff putting the right structures in place.

Possibly a multiple AA Brownlow medalist with a couple of Coleman's thrown in for good measure, but only time will tell.

Regards Cazzesman

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I recall once predicting that Andrew Jobling would end up being a triple Brownlow Medallist, but it just didn't work out.

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The 'meat and potatoes' type player that we usually go for with 'in between' type picks. For us it is our second or third selection out of three or four and we usually presage our intentions on TC a few months in advance (and they usually just happen to be still available). You can take it to the bank that, so far, it hasn't worked for us.

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Is this when we turn into Geelong or when we let them all get older cos right now everyone is too young???

Ok Shane Rogers on centre stage.

Menzel.. well i would have chosen him too..
Temay.. i never heard of him but possibly a multiple AA Brownlow medalist with a couple of Coleman's thrown in for good measure, but only time will tell.
Graham .. Nick Stevens highly speaks of this kid.... i could have said yes to him too.. if i didnt know anyone else.

Collins.... rookie.. ok ... possibly would have done that...dont know anyone else.
Cachia..rookie pick.. ok.. maybe i would have done that too... dont know anyone else.

A whole years work... what did that set the club back???

I and Nick Stevens suggestion could have saved this club hundreds of thousands of dolllars on that one seasons work...

An ex number 1 IC.. and a current 1 IC...

at least a couple hundred thousand in just wages...plus everybody else on the payroll.. and the recruiting budget to fly around Aussie...

The interesting one in there is Temay... small defender with a second rounder... with a vanilla game for AFL footy....but its ok... "he possibly is a multiple AA Brownlow medalist with a couple of Coleman's thrown in for good measure, but only time will tell."

Thats the probem with the recruitment group.. same as the board... everyone has been breathing each others air for too long..

a small defender with our second rounder??... who the hell does that!!!.. grab a mid and turn him into a defender...but he is a midfielder too...!!!

saw Temay this year... interrupted season maybe.. but cant think of one thing about his game thats a standout .. sure he might be a good runner..........small defender eh???... another hbfer type*....

Oh yes.... "give him time Synbad....!!!.."

We have to.... but thats not where i would be looking with a second round pick.. a guy under 180 cm and is a defender with no big penetrating kick.. and no real midfield creativity...!!!

Just there in a nutshell is where Rogers is Hughes Mk2.... theyre from the same recruitment school... i know Gilly said "heres a tip for you Synabd...there is no university for learning to be a recruiter...".....Gilly had a t[img]ip for ME...!!!!
Yes Gilly.. but there is the school of average recruiters and the school of good recruiters.. why do you think we went out to poach(pooch) Williams??.....he WAS breathing the same air as Wells.. now hes going to breathe in the same air as Hughes / Rogers.
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Just get Emma Quales list and save hundreds of thousands of dollars and you cant go worse...

We have the same problem with the board and succession plans..

They have all been breathing in the same air...
Its the Moshe fishbowl analogy

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very good

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_AFL_D ... onal_Draft

Feel free to tell TC who you would have picked that came after the Temay and Graham picks. Even with hindsight I long to hear you answers and WHY.

Regards Cazzesman

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Temay is interesting and where Menzel and Graham had interrupted pre-seasons/seasons, Temay didn't.
Had a couple of weeks out for minor injury but that's about it from what I recall.

Interesting that he was used forward for quite a few games through the last half of the season.

As it stands I've seen very little to suggest that we have a winner on our hands but as you say.................only time will tell.

What does the club think of Temay's opening season?

I know there's plenty of time and he looks and moves every inch a footballer but I just can't pick what the club is trying to do with him.

i would nt have taken temay ur right.....nothing there after pick 30 i know.,, i know how u guys think.... too hard takre the 179 guy everyone passed up on...
graham id have gone with stevos assessment.. why not? u blokes did!!!

and listen.. i dont get paid the money rogers and stevens are to have the answers.... u understand that bit right??

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..colquhoun [sp?] was talked up pre-draft, and i think plenty were surprised he 'slipped' right down.out of ND and was picked up in secondary drafts.. ..dayle garTlett we all know clubs were warned off, and seems he got his shite together but ,maybe a relapse..??, but certainly the rookie draft is the place to take the punt on the talented but flawed high risk high reward type pick..

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I also posted this in talking players.
Greg Denham is reporting Eddie Betts off to Adelaide with a 4 year deal worth almost $2 million.
Will Carlton match it considering Betts is on the veterans list from 2015?
At least make Adelaide trade for him if we match it.

I don't think the drafting is the problem - not sure about temay graham and menzel look good to me - my beef for a number of years has been the the development of the players once they get there and secondly the trading (have we done a good trade since crazy vossie gifted us Henderson and lucas) and the free agency debacle last year - last year hawthorn swans geelong Collingwood tigers bummers all improved their list in trading /free agency period - where were we hello -too busy paying out contracts of assistant and senior coaches - too busy talking up the new coach

Does it surprise anyone that our club was instead of being at the forefront of the free agency was at the back of the queue

The difficulty is we are not an attractive club that players from other clubs want to trade into - caddy last year - gunston the year before - both good young players both wanting to come home - both would have improved our list - both not wanting to come to carlton

Remember at the time I was pretty peeved we didn't go for Membrey but was happy with Temay too. It's a pretty bad draft after the quality first 20 or so.

I'm not sure that's right.

Sort of makes sense that once we got wind of getting Menzel at #11, that we'd sooner go that path than to hand over pick #11 for Caddy.

Development is our problem though...Frazer Dale, Dylan Buckley, Kane Lucas, Josh Bootsma, Pat McCarthy, Luke Mitchell, Levi Casboult, Shaun Hampson all have obvious deficiencies that don't seem to get fixed or have no specific role/position.

Just fix half of that list and I'll be happy.

The other issue is trading a lot of picks for one player....we reduce the number of picks we have at the draft and rely on the player coming in and being a success instead of spreading the risk.

I have confidence in Rogers based on his statement:

"Geelong is one of the clubs that draft and just sit and wait and have some patience. I reckon we’re at that point. Carlton hasn’t been use to that before. It’s been a “there’s the best player let’s go out and buy him.” The rules have changed. We’ve gotta draft and we’ve got to embrace the draft – the supporters and the footy club."

The concern is others in the football department getting in the way and getting the cheque book out to appease the members. There needs to be a plan instead of thinking throwing a bag of cash at D Thomas will solve all our problems. Sure that might be via free agency but you still have to think of the salary cap consequences.

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