I don't know how people can justify anything that has gone on over the last decade. We have been a basket case where mediocrity has been an acceptance. That was not the Carlton I grew up with and its my biggest frustration.

Synners point on Williams is correct. Why would he leave to go to a Number 2 job answering to Rogers? What is his role and what is Hughes?

I go back to my comments from months ago about the Pratt edict of getting "The Best".

Did we try and get Wells? If so, why did we fail AGAIN? We tried to get Roos and failed. We've tried to players and failed.

Thank goodness Cordy is gone because we have had no where near the fitness and body shape to compete with the top clubs. Hopefully we will get someone who is the best in that field.

I want and demand the BEST and there are very few at the club that could be classed anywhere near that.

Our recruiting, development, fitness has been an abomination yet people responsible are still there. We have been average for a long long while and until we cut out the crap and stop the BS excuses the club we will not improve to the level required to be a successful and constantly challenging Premiership club.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

mmm......if your logic stacks up then the following players are worth anything to geelong?
Paul Chapman
Joel Corey
Corey Enright
Josh Hunt

So because Luke hasn't public explained to everyone his personal reasons for taking up a role at Carlton, that makes it all wrong does it?

And because Geelong hasn't public explained why it said 'Thanks for the past 14 years, all the very best and Good Luck' to Luke that is again wrong is it?

Haven't you mentioned before about your knowledge of all things recruiting from Brisbane. Surely you must then know how it works within the Industry. People move within clubs in the AFL. Many are on their 3rd, 4th and 5th Clubs. Some leave a club and go elsewhere then come back to their original club years later.

It is not always about money. Sometimes it is about friendships or gaining experience or improving the CV or just having a change of scenery.

http://www.carltonfc.com.au/club/executive-and-staff

I have done your work for you. Here is the job description.

Regards Cazzesman

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You are just a shining example of why we are where we are.

Where did I ever say anything about my knowledge of all things recruiting?

Read what I wrote about Williams a few pages ago and why he may have moved. FFS

......and just to confirm my criticism isn't of Williams himself it's of the process of getting the BEST and why do we persist with the peanuts we currently have because by any assessment they are pathetic.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Some of the posters viewing contractual engagement as a sign of capacity are the same ones telling us Mick Malthouse is the answer.
The same Malthouse who was waved goodbye from his last job and not engaged by another club.

Where's the consistency?

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

its in the fine print BV

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

Lets see what we think after we win a few finals games....and in my dreams....the flag.

Anything can happen....not bc of MM but bc of Big Nick, Barrass, Southby. Walls, Jezza, Crosswell, Crane, Robertson, Doull Dpminator Keogh Kerna, Kouta....etc...that's what Carlton is about...FINALS

Hang in there guys......there's another show to be played out ahead of List Management....and WH may feature....just wait 1-4 weeks

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I don't understand all the negativity against Williams at all. Give the guy a break!
The argument of not having a contract for the following year and therefore is not worthy makes no logical sense.
How do we know he wasn't considering a contract by Geelong at the same time?
By the way, how many people in here have changed jobs while holding another or even contract coming to an end?

ps. I haven't read through the last few pages so some might have raised these questions already, so I apologise if that is the case.

I'm so glad you're posting BB. You really do give me hope.

Here's a question for you all. How many players have we drafted (not traded for) who have been selected as All Australian? The players can come from any draft - national, rookie, or the old midseason. I can come up with seven, but am happy to be corrected by the Blueseum:

Murphy
Fevola
McKay
Ratten
Camporeale
Allan
Sexton

I have a feeling Christou and Koutafides were zone players, but my memory might be failing me. Whitnall was a father-son and everyone else I can remember was a trade.

Regardless, that's one player taken with a draft pick post the year 2000 who has made All Australian.

ill give anybody one break.. but dont pretend he is the brains behind geelong... its ludicrous.

we hear about these saviours all the time.. he was much heralded even got a wink about him from the director in here...
he comes and he is either 2nd or 3 rd ic.. with no contract till the end of the year... and noone knows jack about him except "hes a good guy"
Only Geelong would have the good oil on williams from what his list looks like...and it doesnt look like they went to a lot of trouble securing him or keeping him....

hope he does ok.. but i dont need another 2 bit club hooker blow job to make me feel good ... i need results...!!!

if hes that good he should be at the top of the tree pretty quick.. what we have in place at the moment is hardly stuff that should be holding him back....

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Outside of a top 12 pick .. our best players drafted have been Fevola and Simmo... both by Shane O...this century or 1999..
Hughes has been massive potato dud.

Thats a long time in between drinks

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Josh Kennedy?

pick 3

and we gave him away for another pick 3.. along with another pick 3 and a pick 20...

but.... we have not picked anything substantial between 15 and 50 since simmo....with fev being the absolute best of them...

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yet no one is held accountable??

we employ Williams and he is given the same role as Hughes who was demoted.

Pathetic.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Betts and Walker should have both made it a few years back, Walker's omission was especially baffling.

Gee it would be nice if we drafted a Hannebery type instant impact midfielder this year...our current midfield is sort of suffering from a missed few years of talent in the draft. Then again they've also been injured/strangely out of form (Carrots, Murph)

you cant have mids if you like drafting one dimmensional half back flankers....and trading for them.. and even re constituting them from other positions... cant have enough half back flankers runing around for the bullants

the most cowardly of the cowardly recruiting ....

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add the "specualtive" picks of Rowe & Duigan?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Huh? Judd trade was pathetic? Yeahnuh