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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:31 pm 
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I'm sick of these BS excuses for our recruiting. It has been extremely poor. Why are the people in charge still there???

The acceptance of mediocrity has severely damaged this club.

We have changed coach, Improved development, New facilities, will get a new High Performance Manager now its time to get rid of the most damaging people. Our recruiters. Before Synbad jumps up and down I'm talking purely football department. :wink:

I'm amazed that the most important role in a football club is being allowed to keep working after such a record. :hitcomputer:


I thought you may be able to see a little deeper than that.

Recruiting is one part of the process to get a player ready for the rigours of the AFL.
It's debatable whether we've recruited the right types and it's also debatable as to why we had recruited some that we did and whether that was under instruction from others.

You ask why the people are still in charge?
Which people exactly are you referring to?

Rogers, who netted Graham, Menzel, Temay and Cachia in his first year?
Luke Williams who hasn't even had the chance to impact on our selections yet?
Who do you want to get rid of? I know, Wayne Hughes who has been relegated to a back seat job now. That should change everything. :wink:


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:44 pm 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:

I'm sick of these BS excuses for our recruiting. It has been extremely poor. Why are the people in charge still there???

The acceptance of mediocrity has severely damaged this club.

We have changed coach, Improved development, New facilities, will get a new High Performance Manager now its time to get rid of the most damaging people. Our recruiters. Before Synbad jumps up and down I'm talking purely football department. :wink:

I'm amazed that the most important role in a football club is being allowed to keep working after such a record. :hitcomputer:


I thought you may be able to see a little deeper than that.

Recruiting is one part of the process to get a player ready for the rigours of the AFL.
It's debatable whether we've recruited the right types and it's also debatable as to why we had recruited some that we did and whether that was under instruction from others.

You ask why the people are still in charge?
Which people exactly are you referring to?

Rogers, who netted Graham, Menzel, Temay and Cachia in his first year?
Luke Williams who hasn't even had the chance to impact on our selections yet?
Who do you want to get rid of? I know, Wayne Hughes who has been relegated to a back seat job now. That should change everything. :wink:


I've spoken about other departments but recruitment being a key doesn't seem to be touched.

Hughes demoted? Why not fired? It's like sacking Ratten and making him MM's assistant.

Rogers has NFI. You only have to listen to him and observe how he is rated in the industry. Was he another Kernahan appointment?

I wouldn't rate Temay or Cachia a success yet and Graham fell into their lap. Why didn't we go for a Colquhoun who is a talented midfielder and went PSD?

We have Williams who we poached from Geelong. Great, so why haven't the rest been cleaned out?

Over the past 6-7 years there hasn't been a lot to get excited about and some of the decisions have been bewildering.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:10 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

I've spoken about other departments but recruitment being a key doesn't seem to be touched.

Hughes demoted? Why not fired? It's like sacking Ratten and making him MM's assistant.

Rogers has NFI. You only have to listen to him and observe how he is rated in the industry. Was he another Kernahan appointment?

I wouldn't rate Temay or Cachia a success yet and Graham fell into their lap. Why didn't we go for a Colquhoun who is a talented midfielder and went PSD?

We have Williams who we poached from Geelong. Great, so why haven't the rest been cleaned out?

Over the past 6-7 years there hasn't been a lot to get excited about and some of the decisions have been bewildering.


Rogers has NFI...........O.K.

I don't know how he is rated in the industry but I'm really keen to know so..........please explain.
Is this the old story of other recruiters laughing at ours. It's not going to be that falsehood of a story, is it?

Bewildering decisions? That may or may not be right but which decisions are we talking about.
Don't worry. All of them.............I know.

Isn't it funny that we've gone on to rate everything that North, Adelaide, West Coast etc have done yet we're playing finals and they're not. :smile: .....but they will. Right?
And Port Adelaide are miles ahead of us in everything they do................yet we've beat them twice this year.

Look, there may be some truth in everything but we spruik all our rubbish as being absolute. Now that is funny......and the amounts of time I see, "I'm angry", "I'm not signing up again", "We're f***ed", blah blah blah is funny in it's own right.
I can only hope that the club is a bit more resolute than the way some of it's supporters go about things. We sound like a bunch of "shit in your pants" whingers. Now that's not funny any more.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:25 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:31 pm 
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harker wrote:
Effes wrote:
Adelaide's Luke Brown got the round 23 nomination - it is now 3 consecutive seasons without a Carlton player getting a nomination.


Has more to do with the fact we haven't recruited many kids nor given them much of a go in recent years.

2011: Watson, McCarthy, Mitchell and McInnes: All have had more than their fair share of injuries and have had limited exposure for injury as much as for form.

2012: Bootsma, Buckley: Buckley injured just about all of 2012 but still has some way to go.

2013: Menzel, Graham, Temay. Menzel and Graham both with limited pre-seasons for injury. May have been different should have they had a clear run into the season.


2008 and 2009 are other years of recruiting that fed many players into the 2010, 2011 and 2012 Rising Star pool.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:31 pm 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:

I've spoken about other departments but recruitment being a key doesn't seem to be touched.

Hughes demoted? Why not fired? It's like sacking Ratten and making him MM's assistant.

Rogers has NFI. You only have to listen to him and observe how he is rated in the industry. Was he another Kernahan appointment?

I wouldn't rate Temay or Cachia a success yet and Graham fell into their lap. Why didn't we go for a Colquhoun who is a talented midfielder and went PSD?

We have Williams who we poached from Geelong. Great, so why haven't the rest been cleaned out?

Over the past 6-7 years there hasn't been a lot to get excited about and some of the decisions have been bewildering.


Rogers has NFI...........O.K.

I don't know how he is rated in the industry but I'm really keen to know so..........please explain.
Is this the old story of other recruiters laughing at ours. It's not going to be that falsehood of a story, is it?

Bewildering decisions? That may or may not be right but which decisions are we talking about.
Don't worry. All of them.............I know.

Isn't it funny that we've gone on to rate everything that North, Adelaide, West Coast etc have done yet we're playing finals and they're not. :smile: .....but they will. Right?
And Port Adelaide are miles ahead of us in everything they do................yet we've beat them twice this year.

Look, there may be some truth in everything but we spruik all our rubbish as being absolute. Now that is funny......and the amounts of time I see, "I'm angry", "I'm not signing up again", "We're f***ed", blah blah blah is funny in it's own right.
I can only hope that the club is a bit more resolute than the way some of it's supporters go about things. We sound like a bunch of "shit in your pants" whingers. Now that's not funny any more.


Please don't include me in a lot of the above.

Do we sprout it as absolute or is it read as absolute? It is after all a forum of opinions.

I wouldn't criticise someone like that without good reason or information.

I believe strongly that our recruiting has been a disgrace and still cant understand how people hold their jobs. The role is vital. Maybe Synbad is right? It rots at the head. Too many poor decisions.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:25 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:


Rogers has NFI. You only have to listen to him and observe how he is rated in the industry.


:grin: :grin:

And what wonderful cross section of the industry is that psycho. Do you actually understand how juvenile such a comment sounds. Have you ever had a conversation with him about recruiting :garthp:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:28 pm 
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Hampson staying is what I've heard this week. Not convinced that will remain the case during trade week though.


..would prefer to keep him over Knockers.. ..i think he'd be cheaper, more likely not to kick up a fuss with time in the ressies, and at least offers a little up fwd when not rucking, so more capable of forming a ruck combo with another ruck because of this..

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:28 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Hampson staying is what I've heard this week. Not convinced that will remain the case during trade week though.


..would prefer to keep him over Knockers.. ..i think he'd be cheaper, more likely not to kick up a fuss with time in the ressies, and at least offers a little up fwd when not rucking, so more capable of forming a ruck combo with another ruck because of this..


plus his misses is hot.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:51 pm 
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Menzel has probably done enough to get a nomination for Rising Star. But hard to get nominated UNLESS you play for an expansion team, an interstate team or you have a media/commentator backer.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:19 pm 
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If knockers could mark the ball he would be more valuable. Can't understand how a player could play in the top environment for so long and still not be able to mark above his head.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:09 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Menzel has probably done enough to get a nomination for Rising Star. But hard to get nominated UNLESS you play for an expansion team, an interstate team or you have a media/commentator backer.


No he hasn't. He's done enough to show that he's easily good enough to get one next year if he becomes fit enough.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 6:31 pm 
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woof wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
DocSherrin wrote:
Hampson staying is what I've heard this week. Not convinced that will remain the case during trade week though.


..would prefer to keep him over Knockers.. ..i think he'd be cheaper, more likely not to kick up a fuss with time in the ressies, and at least offers a little up fwd when not rucking, so more capable of forming a ruck combo with another ruck because of this..


plus his misses is hot.

That should be "his misses ARE hot". And btw, they're not. They're terrible and make the team lose momentum.




Mind you, at least he gets to shoot at goal, which Robby doesn't. But if we could somehow get Robby to snag say half to ne goal a game, he'd be one of the best ruckmen in the AFL. So my preference I think would be to keep him and try to trade Megan.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 7:05 pm 
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aramari wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Menzel has probably done enough to get a nomination for Rising Star. But hard to get nominated UNLESS you play for an expansion team, an interstate team or you have a media/commentator backer.


No he hasn't. He's done enough to show that he's easily good enough to get one next year if he becomes fit enough.


I agree he hasn't anywhere near arrived yet. But most of the Rising Star gongs get handed out for encouraging cameos, and little else.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 9:33 pm 
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Stefchook wrote:
Menzel has probably done enough to get a nomination for Rising Star. But hard to get nominated UNLESS you play for an expansion team, an interstate team or you have a media/commentator backer.


Or the law of averages means that on the odd occasion your players have a stand out game at the right time. Menzal might 'deserve' one but he's one of the very few. We let our bitterness towards the media, AFL and the opposition overshadow our better judgement time and time again or your name is not Stefchook, wisher of more ambitious usage of our high draft picks. :cool:

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 02, 2013 10:18 pm 
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Pafloyul wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Menzel has probably done enough to get a nomination for Rising Star. But hard to get nominated UNLESS you play for an expansion team, an interstate team or you have a media/commentator backer.


Or the law of averages means that on the odd occasion your players have a stand out game at the right time. Menzal might 'deserve' one but he's one of the very few. We let our bitterness towards the media, AFL and the opposition overshadow our better judgement time and time again or your name is not Stefchook, wisher of more ambitious usage of our high draft picks. :cool:


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 12:00 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I've spoken about other departments but recruitment being a key doesn't seem to be touched.

Hughes demoted? Why not fired? It's like sacking Ratten and making him MM's assistant.

Rogers has NFI. You only have to listen to him and observe how he is rated in the industry. Was he another Kernahan appointment?

I wouldn't rate Temay or Cachia a success yet and Graham fell into their lap. Why didn't we go for a Colquhoun who is a talented midfielder and went PSD?

We have Williams who we poached from Geelong. Great, so why haven't the rest been cleaned out?

Over the past 6-7 years there hasn't been a lot to get excited about and some of the decisions have been bewildering.

Rogers has NFI...........O.K.

Please don't include me in a lot of the above.

Do we sprout it as absolute or is it read as absolute? It is after all a forum of opinions.

I wouldn't criticise someone like that without good reason or information.

I believe strongly that our recruiting has been a disgrace and still cant understand how people hold their jobs. The role is vital. Maybe Synbad is right? It rots at the head. Too many poor decisions.

Let me get this straight. Rogers has NFI and needs to go like Hughes. Yet Luke Williams willingly left the Geelong recruiting department to work with Rogers and Hughes. Well, OK then.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:50 am 
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Kouta wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
I've spoken about other departments but recruitment being a key doesn't seem to be touched.

Hughes demoted? Why not fired? It's like sacking Ratten and making him MM's assistant.

Rogers has NFI. You only have to listen to him and observe how he is rated in the industry. Was he another Kernahan appointment?

I wouldn't rate Temay or Cachia a success yet and Graham fell into their lap. Why didn't we go for a Colquhoun who is a talented midfielder and went PSD?

We have Williams who we poached from Geelong. Great, so why haven't the rest been cleaned out?

Over the past 6-7 years there hasn't been a lot to get excited about and some of the decisions have been bewildering.

Rogers has NFI...........O.K.

Please don't include me in a lot of the above.

Do we sprout it as absolute or is it read as absolute? It is after all a forum of opinions.

I wouldn't criticise someone like that without good reason or information.

I believe strongly that our recruiting has been a disgrace and still cant understand how people hold their jobs. The role is vital. Maybe Synbad is right? It rots at the head. Too many poor decisions.

Let me get this straight. Rogers has NFI and needs to go like Hughes. Yet Luke Williams willingly left the Geelong recruiting department to work with Rogers and Hughes. Well, OK then.

:lol:


Well that's it then. No possibility he may of moved for money, opportunity, experience, family, change in role, challenge, security etc. :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:53 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
Stefchook wrote:
Menzel has probably done enough to get a nomination for Rising Star. But hard to get nominated UNLESS you play for an expansion team, an interstate team or you have a media/commentator backer.


Or the law of averages means that on the odd occasion your players have a stand out game at the right time. Menzal might 'deserve' one but he's one of the very few. We let our bitterness towards the media, AFL and the opposition overshadow our better judgement time and time again or your name is not Stefchook, wisher of more ambitious usage of our high draft picks. :cool:


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