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 Post subject: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:43 pm 
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Rob's Rant........

Just let me start by saying I tipped Essendon** and I was confident that Carlton would stumble. Most people called me a pessimist but I made my decision based on past experiences and logic - This was the absolute perfect stage for Carlton to display all its frailties; Everything to play for, carrying the weight of expectation, playing against a side on their knees and just to top it off throw in excessive backslapping from a win the previous week. Really it was like the perfect storm!......and sure enough Carlton lived up to my expectations.

I could write a scathing review about how missed shots at goals cost us but even a football novice would realise that kicking 9.22 is inexcusable at any level of football.
I could tell you that more often than not if you waste opportunities it will come back to bight you but hey we saw that in round 11 when we lost to Essendon**.
I could tell you that our list is not good enough but that just gets repetitive.
I could say that 20 tackles in a half of footy and 50 for an entire match is insipid and reflective of a poor work ethic but I don't want to bore you.

Tonight was the night that Carlton broke my heart. They have done it many times over the past few decades but tonight was different........Tonight they made me loath the club. Tonight they made me ashamed and angry in fact they may have broken my heart for the last time.

As I write this rant I am NOT upset. I could not give a stuff whether we played finals or not. 2013 has been a shambolic disaster from round 1 and had we snuck into the 8 on some technicality we would go down as a side that was merely making up the numbers and possibly the worst side to play finals since the inception of the 8.
Honestly I am not upset. I am angry!!!!!

I am angry at the culture that has become so ingrained in this once proud club. I am angry at the complete and utter lack of leadership at every level throughout the club. I am angry that when things are tough our immediate response is to look for someone else to fix it. - Off filed we looked for Pratt to save us. In the coaching box we looked for Mick, On field we only look for Juddy. How about for the first time in a nearly 2 decades we actually look at every bloody player to provide some F*&#king leadership!!! You dont have to be the biggest star to be a leader.... Have a look at what Simmo does he is now our only leader.
How about instead of looking for the cheap handball over the top or easy ball out the back of the pack, or look away handball how about we actually say "I am going to do my bit to drag this club to a victory".

I have heard Malthouse talk about our poor goal kicking half a dozen times this year on top of the dozen times Ratten mentioned it in the previous few year yet nothing has changed - why is that??? I will tell you exactly why..... its not technique, it is that the players are so mentally weak that half the time they have talked themselves out of it before they even kick the ball.

This club can spend all the money they want on altitude training, high performance coaches, rehab facilities etc... BUT the simple fact is until the culture changes in the club it is all just a waste of time and money. The only way to change culture is to be ruthless and turnover at least a dozen or more players and not just the second tier players. A strong message must be sent to every player that it is "all in every week" not just when things are running smoothly. Turnover the assistant coaches that have been there for too long (Capuano, Barker, Brown etc..). For Carlton to develop the hard edge its not about wasted money on bonding sessions or pointless meetings with "leading teams" It is about filling the club with people who have the right leadership qualities and work ethic.

Carlton I will never give up on you and you will always be part of me but tonight you broke my heart because you are a DISHONEST team and to get me back is going to take more than some catchy slogan like "I AM CARLTON" because after what you have dished up this season that is nothing to be proud of.

GO BLUES

P.S. Kade Simpson you were an absolute star tonight form start to finish and never abandoned the sinking ship.


Agree 100%, I am sick of the crap culture around the club, from the president to the rookie players, the culture right now is crap and we need a clean-out and attitude change starting from the president and the farce of a board that we have right down to the players.

I think we havea the core of a good list, we don't need to start from ground zero there, but until we sort out the club leadership and vision we will just be a mediocre club.


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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 12:53 pm 
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sinbagger wrote:
I think we havea the core of a good list, we don't need to start from ground zero there, but until we sort out the club leadership and vision we will just be a mediocre club.


I'm not as bullish.

We have holes in all areas of the ground.

Our rucks are ordinary... our midfield lacks depth... our back line is reliant on Jammo, we have no other quality tall backs. Our forward line is reliant on Hendo, we have no other quality tall forwards.

Almost all the good mid-fielders we have are on the wrong side of 26. It now becomes a priority to add depth to this area, which is bloody hard when you need good picks to pick up quality talls.

The list is completely unbalanced. It'll take at least 3-4 years with top notch balanced recruiting. Given our recent history I have no faith this will happen.

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 1:10 pm 
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10 or more years of mediocre crap a once great club is just one step up from Melbourne
Last month has been deplorable losing to dogs for god sake
Earlier lost to the bloody Aints

Ineptitude
Every other supporter is laughing at us
We get a free kick to play finals from 9th and can't even take that
Our last bit of publicity was bloody edelstein having access to coach because he pays a lot of money

NEVER thought I would say it but close to walking away from this crap
It's a waste of time emotional effort and we get nothing


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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:28 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
NEVER thought I would say it but close to walking away from this crap
It's a waste of time emotional effort and we get nothing


I think the club have an enormous issue here which frank has touched on.

Lots of anecdotal evidence of people with similar thoughts to you frank.

The irony is the club thought they had to get a big name coach otherwise membership would plummet this year.

The pathetic thing is that they don't have the substance to get an untried coach and back him in to grow the club and hence help to grow the membership.

The old Carlton attitude of 'lets get a big name' still exists to the detriment of the club. It is a moribund way of going about things. The approach was ok back in the day of no salary cap, brown paper bags and form fours but not in 2013.

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:43 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
10 or more years of mediocre crap a once great club is just one step up from Melbourne
Last month has been deplorable losing to dogs for god sake
Earlier lost to the bloody Aints

Ineptitude
Every other supporter is laughing at us
We get a free kick to play finals from 9th and can't even take that
Our last bit of publicity was bloody edelstein having access to coach because he pays a lot of money

NEVER thought I would say it but close to walking away from this crap
It's a waste of time emotional effort and we get nothing



I agree with you Frank. I have nearly had enough after last night.

I can see our 150th next year being very similar to our centenary year in 1964 which we had our worst ever season to finish 10th(of 12). The only shining light was Gordon Collis wining the Brownlow.

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:44 pm 
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Angry is how i sum up this season.
Havent enjoyed going or watching.


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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 2:45 pm 
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Summary - it's been mostly muddy slop

BUT

from the slop you have to search the pan for a few specks of gold and I reckon Malthouse has identified a few specks.


The culture is about to change with Malthouse set to go crazy with the Glen 20 to kill all the nasties within the bubble.

He won't stand for uncommitted and half-arsed efforts and that goes from the top of the club to the bottom. Big names/reputations who go half-arsed will be shown the door I have no doubt.


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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 5:57 pm 
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At the moment I actually think I hate this club. I am sick to death of this weak list, this weak board, this piss weak club that always looks for the easy out.

I wish we were Essendon*. I wish we were about to be butchered, @#$%&! I wish we were gone so I could just forget all about this @#$%&! jumper and the shit it dishes up.

I doubt we will ever come back. I think we are gone. We are a dinosaur of a club, worse we are ostriches...no... we are a club of Dodos.

Hird would have been so happy it was us.


His speech. "Boy's its Carlton, don't fret, they'll shit themselves and we will win."

I hope we cut the whole @#$%&! list.

No.

Keep Simmo

Keep Hendo

Keep the new boys of this year

piss the rest off. They just haven't got it.

We have buggered up again and again because we keep looking back at what we've done. I wish it would hurry up and disappear. I wish we could just forget everything and start again.

No flags. No glory. Nothing. Cause the past is killing this club.

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:11 pm 
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As an adjunct to my earlier post I will give this mob one more week but an ignominious loss to Port Adelaide will result in a very terse email from me to Swann to be passed onto the board about how this club is breaking its long time supporters hearts
Happy for others to join the campaign

I have supported this club for 50 years have previously spent numerous pro bono hours helping the club after the ELliott debacle out of various problems because I Thought it was going to go under but I have got to breaking point
It's not acceptable when people like me are considering walking away ITS a real problem and that's not big noting I know there are many others in the same boat in here
This is a crisis they have to know


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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:35 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
As an adjunct to my earlier post I will give this mob one more week but an ignominious loss to Port Adelaide will result in a very terse email from me to Swann to be passed onto the board about how this club is breaking its long time supporters hearts
Happy for others to join the campaign

I have supported this club for 50 years have previously spent numerous pro bono hours helping the club after the ELliott debacle out of various problems because I Thought it was going to go under but I have got to breaking point
It's not acceptable when people like me are considering walking away ITS a real problem and that's not big noting I know there are many others in the same boat in here
This is a crisis they have to know


Back to leadership Frank and who will put the hand up and not just jump on the gravy train.

Yes there is a crisis and when I see one of our most passionate brethren "hate" the club it is time.

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 6:36 pm 
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The answers you are all seeking are found above

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
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All talk,no action.I'll believe it when i see it.......................but im gonna stick around no matter what.Could not even contemplate giving us away.

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
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The pathetic thing is that they don't have the substance to get an untried coach and back him in to grow the club and hence help to grow the membership.

Tried that with the last guy...

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
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Effes wrote:
The pathetic thing is that they don't have the substance to get an untried coach and back him in to grow the club and hence help to grow the membership.

Tried that with the last guy...


You mean they went through an interview process, a list of candidates, and then chose Ratts?

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:07 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Effes wrote:
The pathetic thing is that they don't have the substance to get an untried coach and back him in to grow the club and hence help to grow the membership.

Tried that with the last guy...


You mean they went through an interview process, a list of candidates, and then chose Ratts?

I think they interviewed one of the assistants and the boot strutter but point taken.

I'm a fan of the interview process but it's no guarantee in itself... Neeld etc

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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
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Its the losing culture they created when they tanked - it has stuck with them and will never leave
we wont be successful again until all those players and people who were at the club when we tanked have moved on .

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Its the losing culture they created when they tanked - it has stuck with them and will never leave
we wont be successful again until all those players and people who were at the club when we tanked have moved on .


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Effes wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Effes wrote:
The pathetic thing is that they don't have the substance to get an untried coach and back him in to grow the club and hence help to grow the membership.

Tried that with the last guy...


You mean they went through an interview process, a list of candidates, and then chose Ratts?


Sticks - "G'day Vossy, look mate, where a bit scant on cash at the minute we can only offer $50k, you still interested ??"
Voss - "Thanks all the same mate..."

Sticks - "Ratts mate, we need a bit of swagger back can you help us ??"
Ratts - "YESSSSS !!! GO BLUES !!!!!"
Sticks - "The job's yours mate lets get outta here and I'll shout you a Crowny"


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 Post subject: Re: A Summary of 2013
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2013 9:21 pm 
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Some times I wonder whether the passion for the club is more with supporters than players and staff. We will never know really that as most is all behind closed doors. I suspect that we will see some "action" come list decision time.

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