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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:04 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
^^^^

..ok i didn't know that.. ..we doing the 'ruck switcheroo' with them then..?..



Who knows. Don't even know if we are interested. Lions very keen to have him as fwd/ruck w Luey but wants to come home.

Thought he might be a good combo w Kruezer?

Just using him as an example

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:11 pm 
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Wonder if GWS would entertain some sort of swap of Yarran for Curtly Hampton. Draft picks exchanged also I suppose, but have admired Hampton's consistency in a tough position at a young age.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 17, 2013 11:55 pm 
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Wonder if GWS would entertain some sort of swap of Yarran for Curtly Hampton. Draft picks exchanged also I suppose, but have admired Hampton's consistency in a tough position at a young age.


No.

Hampton isn't any better than Yarran. Swap for change of role.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:32 am 
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Yarran may be slightly better, but by taking the trade you're effectively saying that you've got an extra 3 years to develop the player you're after.

I'd be happy to take the gamble that Hampton plays at the level Yarran would by staying at Carlton, and hopefully GWS take the gamble that they can turn Yarran into the superstar he has the talent to become......and exchange a favourable draft pick our way for the purposes of the transaction.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:08 am 
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The Rhino wrote:
Yarran may be slightly better, but by taking the trade you're effectively saying that you've got an extra 3 years to develop the player you're after.

I'd be happy to take the gamble that Hampton plays at the level Yarran would by staying at Carlton, and hopefully GWS take the gamble that they can turn Yarran into the superstar he has the talent to become......and exchange a favourable draft pick our way for the purposes of the transaction.


I would rather look for a Nick Graham type midfielder to replace Yarran or keep him.

Boyd would be ok too.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:54 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
What I understand is that we tanked, yes tanked for years, yes years to get top draft picks because that is how you rebuild and win premierships, yes plural - premierships. So we kept getting told.
What I now hear is that we need to rebuild because we didn't rebuild correctly :roll: or rebuild properly :oops: or develop :garthp: or "add in what you feel right now".
Culture, winning mentality and smart trading, drafting and developing is what's needed for ever and a day. NOT JUST TOP 10 PICKS.
MY POINT being all along is that. Somehow however, I don't get anything or know anything!!!!
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:59 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Some people or clubs never learn. Here's a question, were did the last lot of early draft picks get us?
I guess if you keep rebuilding, sooner or later you might just strike it lucky with a couple of gems.


What do you suggest, Surrey? Admit that we got it wrong but try our best with the 'rubbish' we have, regardless? I think you have grasped the wrong end of the stick. We never did 'rebuild' the first time around. We need a genuine rebuild and a change in attitude, not just one or the other.


Surrey all the good sides are built on drafting not teading

Tippett
Shaw
Richards
Kennedy
McVeigh
Morton
Everitt
Walsh
Mumford

All current listed Swans senior players and all traded from other clubs. 9 out of 40
So much for that argument.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 4:59 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Some people or clubs never learn. Here's a question, were did the last lot of early draft picks get us?
I guess if you keep rebuilding, sooner or later you might just strike it lucky with a couple of gems.


What do you suggest, Surrey? Admit that we got it wrong but try our best with the 'rubbish' we have, regardless? I think you have grasped the wrong end of the stick. We never did 'rebuild' the first time around. We need a genuine rebuild and a change in attitude, not just one or the other.


Surrey all the good sides are built on drafting not teading

Tippett
Shaw
Richards
Kennedy
McVeigh
Morton
Everitt
Walsh
Mumford

All current listed Swans senior players and all traded from other clubs. 9 out of 40
So much for that argument.


BS,

I presume you mean McGlyn not McVeigh.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 8:33 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Some people or clubs never learn. Here's a question, were did the last lot of early draft picks get us?
I guess if you keep rebuilding, sooner or later you might just strike it lucky with a couple of gems.


What do you suggest, Surrey? Admit that we got it wrong but try our best with the 'rubbish' we have, regardless? I think you have grasped the wrong end of the stick. We never did 'rebuild' the first time around. We need a genuine rebuild and a change in attitude, not just one or the other.


Surrey all the good sides are built on drafting not teading

Tippett
Shaw
Richards
Kennedy
McVeigh
Morton
Everitt
Walsh
Mumford

All current listed Swans senior players and all traded from other clubs. 9 out of 40
So much for that argument.

Hawks:
Josh Gibson
Shaun Burgoyne
Brian Lake
Brent Guerra
Jack Gunston
David Hale

There's an argument for both.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:53 am 
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King Kenny wrote:
The Rhino wrote:
Yarran may be slightly better, but by taking the trade you're effectively saying that you've got an extra 3 years to develop the player you're after.

I'd be happy to take the gamble that Hampton plays at the level Yarran would by staying at Carlton, and hopefully GWS take the gamble that they can turn Yarran into the superstar he has the talent to become......and exchange a favourable draft pick our way for the purposes of the transaction.


I would rather look for a Nick Graham type midfielder to replace Yarran or keep him.

Boyd would be ok too.


Agree, Hampton is a good talent but our priority needs to be ball winning mids who can use the ball well. Some size wouldn't hurt either.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:55 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Some people or clubs never learn. Here's a question, were did the last lot of early draft picks get us?
I guess if you keep rebuilding, sooner or later you might just strike it lucky with a couple of gems.


What do you suggest, Surrey? Admit that we got it wrong but try our best with the 'rubbish' we have, regardless? I think you have grasped the wrong end of the stick. We never did 'rebuild' the first time around. We need a genuine rebuild and a change in attitude, not just one or the other.


Surrey all the good sides are built on drafting not teading

Tippett
Shaw
Richards
Kennedy
McVeigh
Morton
Everitt
Walsh
Mumford

All current listed Swans senior players and all traded from other clubs. 9 out of 40
So much for that argument.

Hawks:
Josh Gibson
Shaun Burgoyne
Brian Lake
Brent Guerra
Jack Gunston
David Hale

There's an argument for both.


Surely the point is that the Swans have both traded well and drafted well. That's what puts the better teams towards the top in so far as recruiting goes, getting it right a good percentage of the time in the 2 ways to bring new players into your club. Stuff up too much with the kids and trading well will help you cover that, trade poorly and good young'uns will help you put a decent or even good team on the park, but the really top teams have done both well.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:00 am 
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meh... trading or drafting... they're one of the same

Other clubs do it better than us... we have to get better

Our recruiters... they're still the same people bar one I believe? I just pray that MM has given them clear instructions on what type of players he want's otherwise I fear it will be more of the same... hbf types etc.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:18 am 
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Donstuie wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Pafloyul wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Some people or clubs never learn. Here's a question, were did the last lot of early draft picks get us?
I guess if you keep rebuilding, sooner or later you might just strike it lucky with a couple of gems.


What do you suggest, Surrey? Admit that we got it wrong but try our best with the 'rubbish' we have, regardless? I think you have grasped the wrong end of the stick. We never did 'rebuild' the first time around. We need a genuine rebuild and a change in attitude, not just one or the other.


Surrey all the good sides are built on drafting not teading

Tippett
Shaw
Richards
Kennedy
McVeigh
Morton
Everitt
Walsh
Mumford

All current listed Swans senior players and all traded from other clubs. 9 out of 40
So much for that argument.

Hawks:
Josh Gibson
Shaun Burgoyne
Brian Lake
Brent Guerra
Jack Gunston
David Hale

There's an argument for both.


No one is saying that you can't find good players from other clubs but it has to be measured and not the foundation of a list. The point of saying that you have to build from the draft is that you have to start taking responsibility for your list and not make short sighted, short term decisions. Gunston, for example, was a young player with upside that Hawthorn didn't really 'need' rather than an ageing player brought in to plug a hole. On the other hand, Lake was a star on wane that Hawthorn got for next to peanuts. Hawthorn and Geelong are two of the top sides of the competition, not a middling side with delusions of grandeur. We certainly shouldn't be trading vital draft picks for 'stock' or giving up someone like Grigg for a player like Collins. It's ludicrous list management.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 11:35 am 
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We didn't give up Grigg - he wanted to go - Collins was the toothpicks.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:15 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
meh... trading or drafting... they're one of the same

Other clubs do it better than us... we have to get better

Our recruiters... they're still the same people bar one I believe? I just pray that MM has given them clear instructions on what type of players he want's otherwise I fear it will be more of the same... hbf types etc.


I think it's called List Management? :wink:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 7:51 pm 
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After the weekend its looking more and more like the following will be delisted:

Davies
Joseph
Mitchell
Duigan
McCarthy?? (I'd keep him maybe as a rookie)
I think Buckley may be in trouble as well.

I think Scotland will retire.

Collins, Dale will go from the rookie list.

Bell I believe can have another year as a rookie and Curnow will probably be upgraded. Cachia to stay on rookie list

O'Keefe will need to be upgraded if we want to keep him.

The tough decisions will be around trades:

Hampson
Lucas
Yarran
Laidler

Garlett may be an option as well if a club offers a good deal?

They are our only real trade options.

Betts may go with FA?

That will give around 10-12 changes to our main list.


If we could then add Watts, White, a couple of mids to our list plus 6 or so draft picks I'd be very happy.

Plus we can add another 4 rookies. Will give our list a much different look.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:13 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
We didn't give up Grigg - he wanted to go - Collins was the toothpicks.


Glad we got rid of that spineless poonce.

Did you see him yesterday...outside player...nothing more, nothing less.

When the engine was closed off at Qtr time he died out of the game.
He doesnt get dirty and doesnt get his own ball.
Thats why Ratts played him in the VFL...development! Grigg wanted easy street and went to Ninethmond.

What a wasted pick 19 :eek: He cost us ...the prick

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:42 pm 
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Betts, Yarran and Lucas for Josh Kennedy...

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 20, 2013 12:57 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
We didn't give up Grigg - he wanted to go - Collins was the toothpicks.


Still, we would have been better served to seek a draft selection. Richmond would have valued him enough to eventually give up a reasonable draft pick.

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Pafloyul wrote:
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We didn't give up Grigg - he wanted to go - Collins was the toothpicks.


Still, we would have been better served to seek a draft selection. Richmond would have valued him enough to eventually give up a reasonable draft pick.

We had no power to ask for anything, with the possible exception of a JR'esque trade.

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