Sorry mate ... you don't get ... there is no substance behind the rhetoric. Its sham. A disaster on so many fronts.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Unfortunatley psych we have the robbo's and connolly's on this thread. And we cannot do anything about it, except to just pander to their expertise.All we need now to top it off is have mark fine agree with them and back them up and their dellussional rants will justify their existence on this subject.

You beat me to the same edit
Touche'

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Last time I checked, a current triple premiership coach who's successes have all been more recent trumps an ex premiership coach

And last time I checked, that same premiership coach told the football world earlier in the year that the Blues can dream of a flag

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

I'm amazed people on this site give your nonsensical tripe oxygen.
For mine, I've thoroughly enjoyed the vaudevillian floorshow that is your musings

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

You must have your eyes closed ... but don't worry MM has a lot of people bluffed.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Trumps him how? Because he has landed one flag in 20 years at the best resourced club in the comp? Does that invalidate Walls article? Have we improved, have many individual players improved, did the committee claim MM was in for a quick flag? Where is the article wrong, or is MM beyond criticism? I know he thinks he is. As far as I'm concerned, Wallsy has way more cred than miserable misanthropic megalomaniacal mercenary mick. Roll on the end of 2015 when we can wave him goodbye, hopefully by then he hasn't delisted half our side (because its not his job to get the best out of them, just turn them over), and hopefully the committee will have gone too

What gets me is how last year Ratten was the anti-christ because he wasnt developing players, didnt have a plan B, presided over stagnating players, even with the acknowledged injuries and the toll that all reasonable commentators both here and in the media said was a horror year. So - he had to go and went.
What we have now is a coach with an excellent record- no doubt- who is brought in to put the cream on top, to take the club to that next step and win us a flag. Sure there are many issues regarding the depth of the list, the structure of the board etc that are good talking points but can someone please answer this for me;
Yarran was a great get when we drafted him, popele here were thrilled to see his development and running off half back, we loved him. New coach, new position and it doesnt seem to be working. What changes? The coach!
Simpson, one of the most corageous players we have, great running through the midfield, good disposal, dangerous player. A new position on the HB line, not as influential or as damaging (thankfully no one is calling for his head) but what changes? the coach!
Two other examples would be Hendo and Walker, great versatility and have been moved around a bit from forward to back and forward again. Both having great years- what changed- yep the coach (see i am acknowledging a good change) although we all know they both had good years in the previous couple of seasons as well under Rattten.
Then we have the 3 amigos playing together in the forward line - all year -but everyone is saying it isnt working - they are over rated etc etc. But hello- two years ago they were working but not all 3 in the same positions- what changed- the coach.
My point here is not to sack MM but to ask the question - where is plan B? If it aint working, change it! Why cant we get some answers about what the plan is, why do we get spin and BS.
I accept that we have had some players down on form but that is the point, in the previous couple of years they were in form and we were playing finals- why the change? They havent lost their ability, they have lost their confidence. MM needs to take some responsibility for that.
I dont believe he is here for a 5 year "rebuild", maybe that is what we need, i dont claim to be an expert as i dont see all the games. However, if that really is what we need, despite a list with 3 No1 picks and a clutch of other high picks, then maybe MM is not the man for the job. I want him to be but i question his doggedness and stubborness to admit that he may be playing some players out of form or even out of careers (Duigan and Laidler) without even giving them a chance. Sad.

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Back in ACT

And by reading it and then commenting on it, become one of the people on this site who give it oxygen. If you don't like it you :
a. dont have to read it and
b. dont have to comment on it.

Of course your opinion can't be faulted.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

More to the point, walls is still bitter over how he was sacked....so he weighs in on ratts side because he will do everything he can to remind us of how he was sacked unfairly(which he was)

Yeah, that must be it

Perhaps he's just giving his honest opinion? Maybe the less informed think he's uninformed but he's just doing what he's paid to do.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

Gee padre, i think MM wrote the book on bitterness. How well did he take it when the Pies realised he was yesterday's man? I don't think any former coach likes to see coaches sacked in contract, and the reason a club does that is to get quick improvement, not to go backwards.

Walls was a terrific player who made the most of his talent, and a great leader, MM was a nasty cowardly thug, sniping from a back pocket. Walls was enormously innovative as a coach at the Fitzroy when they were the worst resourced club in history and quickly turned an average list at Carlton into a side that could beat the mighty Hawks for a flag despite not having as much talent. When MM had less talented sides their achievement was to very bravely not win flags. I could have got several flags at WCE - they were a state side, and a good one at that. If the coach had the players wearing their correct numbers, half his job was done! The WCE record is interesting not so much for what they won, but how many times they failed in finals, when they had a super talented list.

Walls was on the committee that identified the unfancied and low profile Ross Lyon as a serious coach and recommended him for the Sts. I can't see too many people with a better CV to have an opinion on the Blues than Wallsy, I like him, respect him and thank him for what he has done for Carlton. He is intelligent, articulate and loves the Blues. MM is a bitter fly by night, after some quick glory and big bucks at a club he neither likes nor respects - the feeling is mutual Mick.

I love the fact that Walls wrote an article bagging us.
Usually, he props us up or bags our upcoming opponent. About time.
I am happy we are getting scrutiny. We all know we are not performing as we would like, all things considered.
We have more top 6 draft picks than any team except GWS & GC. We have been passed by those we thought we were ahead of incl Ess, Rich, Port, Freo and even Syd (think back 2-3yrs where we were and where Syd was; where we were heading where everybody thought Sydney was heading...). We are in danger of slip[ping behind Bulldogs, Kangas and GC next season.
Ratts might be a great coach one day but I don't think many people believed him to be one at this time last year. Walls may be right that in hindsight, we should have let him see out his contract but that was not the feeling of many Aug 2012.

The question is: Is our poor performance in 2013 b/c of Malthouse, because of the players, for some other reason or a combination?

Malthouse?
-At this stage, I believe he has the experience, confidence and coach-psych expertise to either get the best out of our guys or find others who he can get to put in 100% all the time and focused on the right things (eg. Gibbs not currently focused 100% of the time; Robbo 100% committed but not on the right things 100% of the time...)
- However, I must be honest and say that it is also possible that MM is killing the players' confidence, Pagan-style... still TBD
- The worrying aspect is that a good new coach usually brings out improvement as the year progresses but doesn't seem to be the case with us this year...
- Overall, I reckon we need to assess Malthouse this time next year.

Players?[/b
- I think the players are pretty much responsible for their own attitudes. This is the primary area where I believe our capability is not up to it. We play a couple of good games and think we've 'proved ourselves' and are pretty happy with ourselves. Perhaps this explains why Malthouse has been delaying Menzel, Graham etc... elevation - wants to see sustained performance. Not a couple of good games at a lower level being enough to propel up.
- There are a few at the bottom end who repeatedly let the team down and those at the top end have not been delivering (compare: Pendlebury, Swan, Beams, Sidebottom, Thomas, Ball to Judd, murphy, Gibbs, Simpson, Walker, McLean over the past 12-18 months. Think about how Coll has performed without Thomas, Beams, Ball for much of the year...)
- I think our players need to undergo a MAJOR psychological conversion, similar to Geelong end 2006 or they need to get out, no matter how talented
- Obviously, we could always strengthen our list but TBH, I am more concerned about better mids than I am about KPPs... Sydney has done pretty well with good honest KPPs, same with Geelong (re KPFs...). But the mids need to be many and good.

[b]Other
- I reckon Wallsy was spot on here: our assistants aren't cream of the crop and they need to be v v good. I would expect this to change over summer. Would be surprised if Green remains or Barker. Would expect Wiley to stay b/c he is Mick's mate but with less direct influence on the players
- Recruiting - obviously we have made a move here and hopefully that improves our recruiting. Also, Mick's stated preference has always been for big game performers (Thomas, Sidebottom) ahead of highly talented potentials (Yarran, Menzel)
- Development - need to improve here. I believe that all clubs would have selected Murphy and Gibbs as no.1 and 75% would have taken Kruezer ahead of Cotchin. Can't believe they were all bad picks (recruiting is more important for selections outside top 10...). So, we clearly have sub-standard player development. Sydney, Geelong, Collingwood seem to be the best here. Hopefully we are able to learn from them.

So, I do not expect us to head back into the wilderness. I expect everyone to lift their game for next year.
I'd expect to see improvement in players, assistant coach, development and recruiting. And I'd expect to see this translated into wins next year. And based on this, I will judge Malthouse.

Until then, I'm happy for our players and the club to cop all the scrutiny we are getting, and more. We have more top 6 players than any other team (except GC, GWS). We have deep resources. We have a multiple-premiership coach. Almost all our players have played finals. We should be performing better. We should not throw the baby out with the bath water. I am not calling for mass sackings. But, we should be driving towards a successful culture and a successful 2014. And, whoever cannot help us deliver a successful culture and successful 2014 should find somewhere else. We need everyone 100% on board, committed and capable (mentally/physically).

Great post 17th premiership.

Players are paid as professionals and expected to perform at 100% for 100% of the game, every game.

They must do whatever they have to to be improving week on week.

We need players playing for the jumper...and us supporters can see if they are or not.

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not sure where this goes really,
but I'd love us to get Vossy in as a senior assistant for now.
I'm happy if it's true we've got Daisy and Watts.
I would way prefer we got Vossy than Neeld. WAY!!!
but what's the likelihood MM would go for that?
I reckon Buckley's to none.

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That’s not a political statement — it’s a harsh reality, and we must act,” she said. “He is a clear and present danger to the things that keep us strong and free. I support impeachment.”

For those criticising Neeld, he at least has a premiership on his coaching CV. Others, including Ratten, don't.

I've never said that Malthouse is above criticism; in fact the mark of a good manager is knowing when to take constructive criticism on board and use it.

However, pinning Malthouse with things that are not clearly his fault is somewhat immature IMVHO.

There are certain aspects of certain players that have not improved this year. But what is it that's being targeted? Let's take Yarran. Always the issue with him was hunger, desire and committment to a contest. Has that improved this year? Was it any better last year?

I think the answer to those things is no. So it's no answer to say it's Malthouse's fault when you cannot show a correlation between the faults displayed previously.

Let's take Robinson. His disposal was always an issue as was his decision making under the old regime. Has that changed? No. Again, it's no answer to say it's Malthouse's fault when you cannot show a correlation between the faults displayed previously.

A coach can identify the issues but sometimes it's not up to him to fix those issues. One cannot abrogate personal responsibility.

Too often at Carlton we take the "it's the coach's fault" line. We've been doing it for years - Walls, Brittain, Pagan, Ratten. How long will we recognise that it's a culture problem at the club? Blaming coaches is just shifting deck chairs on the proverbial Titanic.

This culture shift has to start with the administration but it also has to be with the players and particularly those we draft from now on.

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"A good composer does not initiate. He steals."

- Igor Stravinsky

Surprise Surprise ... now Leigh Mathews says Carlton have gone backwards since MM took over ...

Well done to Robert Walls and Leigh Mathews for saying what is becoming blatantly obvious and not being intimidated by the spin and bluster of MM.

2 more years to go ... take a deep breath ... and start to look forward to 2016.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!

Malthouse had to assess the list ... In three more weeks thatll be done.
See how we go next year

Well yea .. every coach assesses their list ... but when they assess a list they give players a fair go so they know where they at ... a smart coach doesn't castigate his players in front of the whole world ... he deals with it privately ... he doesn't consistently make dumb tactical decisions. ... etc etc etc.

At last people like Wallsy and Mathews are telling it how it is. Yep ... we will have changes ... MM has forced it ... and done a lot of damage to this side on the way. I wait in anticipation of the next dumb decision.

Roll on 2016.

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I am as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more!!!