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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:23 pm 
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Malthouse said that he would not be particularly delighted if Carlton made the finals in the event the Bombers were turfed out by the AFL.

"It would leave a very poor taste and there would have to be an asterisk to explain why you made the finals," he said.


Clearly some common sense coming from Mick here. We are shite, and I think it would be emabarassing to be potentially handed 8th spot.


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Malthouse said that he would not be particularly delighted if Carlton made the finals in the event the Bombers were turfed out by the AFL.

"It would leave a very poor taste and there would have to be an asterisk to explain why you made the finals," he said.


Clearly some common sense coming from Mick here. We are shite, and I think it would be emabarassing to be potentially handed 8th spot.


Yep ... someone has certainly dropped the ball this year. We were a better team ... but now ... well ... the damage has been done.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Malthouse said that he would not be particularly delighted if Carlton made the finals in the event the Bombers were turfed out by the AFL.

"It would leave a very poor taste and there would have to be an asterisk to explain why you made the finals," he said.


Clearly some common sense coming from Mick here. We are shite, and I think it would be emabarassing to be potentially handed 8th spot.


Yep ... someone has certainly dropped the ball this year. We were a better team ... but now ... well ... the damage has been done.


Yeah in 2011, but we were shite last year too. Shame on Ratten


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I don't know if Mick is the right coach to take us to a premiership, but I do know that Ratten was not.

So perhaps the whingers and whiners on this thread should hold their thoughts and save it up to give the club and everyone a massive 'I told you so' in a year or two.

I get the feeling that the personalities of the people whinging and whining about Mick, would get more pleasure out of a 'I told you so' than an actual premiership


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:51 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
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People have go to look at the bigger picture.
Our club is run like its in the 90's

Footy dept, recruiting, development ... right across the board.
Mick will change this. Even if we dont progress that much on the field in 3 years, he will change this part of the club no doubt. He was a part of building that at the Pies.



Spare me.
MM has plenty of positives but being a progressive coach isn't one of them.
If any AFL coach still has a 90s attitude to club structure, it's autocratic Mick. That's why he's not at the Pies anymore.


Exactly!

I'm convinced. In nearly 30 years and 700 games he hasn't adjusted his thinking once. If he could he'd still be having Brad Hardie in a back pocket.

There is NO WAY a man of 60 can change his ways or learn more. It's over.

How he has lasted this long is beyond me. Heads should roll. Disgraceful appointment.

MM do the right thing and resign!


Drama queens :roll:

Did I say he hasn't adjusted his thinking once? Did I say any man of 60 cannot change his ways?
Did I say its beyond me how he's lasted this long?

No wonder the mental health of our nation is struggling when psychologists are prone to such illogical rantings.
What hope have the patients got.

If you cant debate the points without going over the top, go and play elsewhere.


Sports science must have nothing to do with club structure.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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woof wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
SnickerS wrote:
People have go to look at the bigger picture.
Our club is run like its in the 90's

Footy dept, recruiting, development ... right across the board.
Mick will change this. Even if we dont progress that much on the field in 3 years, he will change this part of the club no doubt. He was a part of building that at the Pies.



Spare me.
MM has plenty of positives but being a progressive coach isn't one of them.
If any AFL coach still has a 90s attitude to club structure, it's autocratic Mick. That's why he's not at the Pies anymore.

He has positives. Lets stick to those instead of inventing stuff.


I'd say in the last 10 years sports science is the biggest change in the football landscape and the biggest structural change at every club.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/m ... 6154417917


and the point is.....?
Every club has fitness and conditioning staff. Even some VFL clubs.
Are you suggesting we should applaud Mick for having a strength and conditioning coach?
Collingwood have the best. In fact, Collingwood had the best of everything for a long time.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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I don't know if Mick is the right coach to take us to a premiership, but I do know that Ratten was not.

So perhaps the whingers and whiners on this thread should hold their thoughts and save it up to give the club and everyone a massive 'I told you so' in a year or two.

I get the feeling that the personalities of the people whinging and whining about Mick, would get more pleasure out of a 'I told you so' than an actual premiership

stop whinging about the whingers!

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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DocSherrin wrote:
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In for a penny in for a pound Doc, name names you’re not held back by any confidentiality agreements and we would all like to now the inner factions and dealing of the CFC to get a better understanding of our fractured playing group and management.
I’m not privy to the inner workings of the CFC but my observations of the playing group this year is that they are just as disinterested as they were last year.


In the esteemed words of Bryce Gibbs...'Yeah...Nah'. What's done is done and that'd be pretty inappropriate.

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My question is if the players are so much happier, the board is more harmonious, the staff members are enjoying their working environment, and Mick is such a better coach than the control freak we had last year why haven’t we improved?
Apart from the list because we all know when we enjoy our footy (as you have mentioned)we all increase our output as thus play better.

In layman terms so that bondi might understand.


There's no one answer for that, and if I gave you four reasons as to what my personal thoughts are - I'd probably be leaving out numbers five, six and seven that I'm not privy too. But a coach can't implement a game plan on a playing group and expect it to work immediately. Sure - it's footy - it's the same language, but there's different dialects. e.g - A German from the north and one from the south of the country can have great difficulty understanding each other's dialects. Same thing with footy. And some of the players want to speak the language from the north and others want to speak the one spoken in the south. I'm a fan of the one spoken in the south, but I've spent some time in München, and I think the girls are prettier and the beer is better.

Verstehen Sie?


Munchen girls are extremely pretty. Especially with a bosom full of steins.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:21 pm 
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So the Lions turf Voss to replace him with Roos.


... so. We could have let Ratten coach us another 8 months, sacked him when it became apparent we weren't making the finals and we could have signed Roos?

Plausible.

For the last 2-3 years all the Ratten haters have told us it's the coach, this is why we fail. Then Mick comes along, and now it's the list as to why we fail. Because, well it can't be Mick's fault.

I hazard a guess if the Port Adelaide coach can polish a turd with his roster and get Port into the 8, Roos could get us a top 4.

Discuss.


Not an option.
Roos' wife would not move to Melbourne... for any money.

Doc, back me up here. Don't think this story has been outlined enough already


It's not so much about Tami as it is about the Roos family and there being a unanimous decision based on existing employment, children schooling and offers on the table. But Carlton never had an offer on the table. Not to Roos. Carlton were a long way down the track with MM's manager Peter Sidwell before Sticks even put a call through to Roos. And he only did so at the behest of Jeanne Pratt who thought it silly that Carlton would appoint a senior coach without putting together a shortlist of senior coaches to sound out. By then, the world - and Paul Roos - knew that Carlton (driven by Swann) had settled on Malthouse.

Greg Swann might be quoted as saying "We have kept looking at other options, because if we don't get him we don't want to put all our eggs in one basket." But believe me - they had absolutely put all their eggs in one basket. Swann, Sidwell and to a lesser extent Sticks made sure of that. There was no way Malthouse was going to go through an interview process against other coaches.

That's probably going to please the Malthouse bashers, but that's the truth. There's no reason to shy away from it. Now comes the challenge to the supporter to put a little bit of faith in Malthouse and see what he can do when given a bit of room to play with regarding list management and what he can do with his cattle.

I'm prepared to give him some time. Season 2014 will be telling. I think we are sitting in exactly the position we belong. We're not better than just outside the eight and we're not worse than it. His job is to get us well and truly inside the eight...but he shouldn't announce that next summer. Let's keep our KPI's 'in-house' next season.


That might be the best thing you've ever written. Appreciate the honesty.

Will the board give Malthouse complete autonomy to
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play with regarding list management and see what he can do with his cattle.
...?

Our board, from my understanding, have control issues laced with micro-managing and ego-fuelled power trips. Which of course Ratten was a product of.

I got no problem putting my faith in ol' Shithouse to swing the axe and get us back into relevance with whatever it takes ... its our board I don't and can't trust to let someone else (Mick M) come in and be handed the keys to the car.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:24 pm 
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Make this clear:

Sack the entire Board before even thinking of sacking Malthouse.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:48 pm 
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Bigredisback wrote:
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plenty have regressed and most that have improved have been natural development eg Hendo

Most of the young kids who matter have improved, the ones that haven't weren't upto it last year either

Watson huge improvement
Hendo huge improvement
Lucas solid up lift
Garlett much better
Kruz much better

Robo backwards but it was inevitable this would happen with his poor skills

Yarran no change he was horrible last year except for first few rounds

The reason we have struggled this year is simple

Murphy injured
Judd ageing
Carazzo ageing and injured

Those three in 2011 masked all our issues

Wave a magic wand and return those 3 to 2011 form and we would easily be in the 8



Bullcrap - a good team (like say a Geelong or Sydney) would have quality depth of midfielders who could come in to play these roles and not miss a beat.

Dont blame our lack of success this year because 3 players were injured.

Wave a magic wand by all means - but wave it to have a proper depth of mid-fielders in our list.
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Correct ratten and co had no depth as such as I said those 3 masked our issues

Ratten and co should be convicted of gross list mis management

Thank Christ mm is here to fix it

If u think we would of done anything in 2011 without those three you are kidding yourself


Since you are talking about Ratten ... AGAIN ... and since we have such a crap group of player ... Boy ... Ratten must have been a great coach to take us off the bottom the ladder (where we languished for years) to get us into the finals 3 times ... once within a smidgin of the prelim. Wow ... what a great coach. :lol:

You can't have it both ways.

Malthouse has damaged this team big time ... and even worse ... its a snow job ... the PR has been brilliant.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:04 pm 
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Malthouse is the problem. We have a great list and a great administration.

Our recruitment and development has been sensational.

I find it interesting that we haven't won a Premiership since Judd has been at the club either. :mad:

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Malthouse is the problem. We have a great list and a great administration.

Our recruitment and development has been sensational.

I find it interesting that we haven't won a Premiership since Judd has been at the club either. :mad:


Good point.

Where's the premierships we should've won in 2011, 12 and 13?

I could smell what the Blues were cooking, and I knew they were coming back in 2009...they told me so.

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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That’s the reason we got tricky micky

Oh no it isn’t

It’s to tell the world that the list is shot to cover his own lack of knowledge covered up by good assistants.

Can’t coach existing player group.

What a lame excuse


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Make this clear:

Sack the entire Board before even thinking of sacking Malthouse.


Yep.
I cant disagree with that

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 Post subject: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:15 pm 
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Great analysis on afl 360

Blues list miles off, drafting and recruitment and development horrible


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Bigredisback wrote:
Great analysis on afl 360

Blues list miles off, drafting and recruitment and development horrible


Are the Board and CEO watching?

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Bigredisback wrote:
Great analysis on afl 360

Blues list miles off, drafting and recruitment and development horrible


Are the Board and CEO watching?

What has it got to do with them, it's micks fault, just ask the couch coaches.


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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
PostPosted: Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:43 pm 
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Trigger wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Bigredisback wrote:
Great analysis on afl 360

Blues list miles off, drafting and recruitment and development horrible


Are the Board and CEO watching?

What has it got to do with them, it's micks fault, just ask the couch coaches.


Sorry, thought that was obvious

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 Post subject: Re: Sakc Malthouse!!!
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Let's give this a go. MM is the coach for good or bad, the list is what it is and changes will be made. At the end of Micks 3 years we will know. If he was the wrong appointment then the board should go!


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