Irrespective of Roos availability I too would have let Ratten coach out his contract this year - understand why they changed but cant see much difference in performance this year to last and 2012 had a plethora of injuries

careful Frank you'll be labelled an apologist

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..there is a difference in performance i think.. ..still a ways to go, but the lack of real finals footy gameplan/intensity during ratten's career as coach, lack of real leadership, inability to withstand pressure and cope with expectation.. ..this in my mind meant ratten had to be moved on, another year only further instills already bad habits, and postpones addressing the very real problems.. ..i think MM will be able to fix this, but i think everyone involved has under-estimated how far back this group actually is..

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Andrew walker said the only difference between Ratts and Shithouse, is ... Mick allows family into the rooms.

Sounds like he's worth more than 3 million. Lets pay him 5!!

It's not so much about Tami as it is about the Roos family and there being a unanimous decision based on existing employment, children schooling and offers on the table. But Carlton never had an offer on the table. Not to Roos. Carlton were a long way down the track with MM's manager Peter Sidwell before Sticks even put a call through to Roos. And he only did so at the behest of Jeanne Pratt who thought it silly that Carlton would appoint a senior coach without putting together a shortlist of senior coaches to sound out. By then, the world - and Paul Roos - knew that Carlton (driven by Swann) had settled on Malthouse.

Greg Swann might be quoted as saying "We have kept looking at other options, because if we don't get him we don't want to put all our eggs in one basket." But believe me - they had absolutely put all their eggs in one basket. Swann, Sidwell and to a lesser extent Sticks made sure of that. There was no way Malthouse was going to go through an interview process against other coaches.

That's probably going to please the Malthouse bashers, but that's the truth. There's no reason to shy away from it. Now comes the challenge to the supporter to put a little bit of faith in Malthouse and see what he can do when given a bit of room to play with regarding list management and what he can do with his cattle.

I'm prepared to give him some time. Season 2014 will be telling. I think we are sitting in exactly the position we belong. We're not better than just outside the eight and we're not worse than it. His job is to get us well and truly inside the eight...but he shouldn't announce that next summer. Let's keep our KPI's 'in-house' next season.

People have go to look at the bigger picture.
Our club is run like its in the 90's

Footy dept, recruiting, development ... right across the board.
Mick will change this. Even if we dont progress that much on the field in 3 years, he will change this part of the club no doubt. He was a part of building that at the Pies.

Bringing in a young coach or an untried coach like a Hinkley would have seen us going in circles. Unfortunately our board is the problem. The club is puppeteered by a the Pratt/Matheison combo.

The only way things would change around the club is with someone like MM, who would come in and demand. Example was his ability to get the team to Arizona as soon as he came on. Rattten tried for 2 years and got knocked back. You think a young coach would be able to pull those strings???

Our list doesnt have a flag in it. Its years off. Its more than improving the on field performances, its about getting the footy dept and recruiting and development and the reserves team right... leadership structures right.. Thats his job.

Forget the game plan and the wins on the board. We are sooo far from that its not funny.

Forget finals, forget pushing for a flag. So much more to be done.

Regarding Brett Ratten's contract, and whether it was wrong or right - you have to look at the internal problems going on at Carlton that were caused by him. Ratten wanted a controlling hand in everything. He sat in on meetings he had no right to sit in on. That's not letting staff do their job. He was acutely aware that for more than 18 months, the board had been split on him and I think a little paranoia set in. He was also aware that staff mmebers had resigned prematurely because of him. That's understandable, but his demeanor needed to be better. He also polarized the playing group. We didn't have a playing group playing for the coach. We didn't have one agreeing with the coach. We had a few guys who loved being coached by him (Heath Scotland is one example)...we had others who couldn't stand him (I don't have to name names here, it's pretty obvious).

It would have been wrong for the board to let that level of dissatisfaction keep happening. You can only put out fires for so long.

I speak English...just.
I understand what you've posted.
Makes sense to me.

As discussed previously, I don't think you have to name names...just the fact there were plenty not playing for him.
Ratten polarised the players. I didn't know staff resigned prematurely because of him.

The way he spoke at times...well lets say he didnt come across confident and assertive.
He wasn't the right bloke to lead CFC let alone be the face for the club.

We move on, we turn them over till we get balance, culture and staff (including players) righ to have a tilt at No 17.

We CAN build a team to compete for the big one, just as many others do.
Winning one aint going to be easy, but at least we've got the firepower to get us to a GF and finals every year: that's all I ask.

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Spare me.
MM has plenty of positives but being a progressive coach isn't one of them.
If any AFL coach still has a 90s attitude to club structure, it's autocratic Mick. That's why he's not at the Pies anymore.

He has positives. Lets stick to those instead of inventing stuff.

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In for a penny in for a pound Doc, name names you’re not held back by any confidentiality agreements and we would all like to now the inner factions and dealing of the CFC to get a better understanding of our fractured playing group and management.
I’m not privy to the inner workings of the CFC but my observations of the playing group this year is that they are just as disinterested as they were last year.

No more and maybe even less.

Different players yes on a different level of enjoyment and others have regressed but in general as a team not much different to put it nicely.
The difference is that our prime movers and ball winners have taken a down ward trend but the fringe players (except for Henderson) have improved, but they aren’t the type of players that will win us games.
My question is if the players are so much happier, the board is more harmonious, the staff members are enjoying their working environment, and Mick is such a better coach than the control freak we had last year why haven’t we improved?
Apart from the list because we all know when we enjoy our footy (as you have mentioned)we all increase our output as thus play better.

In layman terms so that bondi might understand.

In the esteemed words of Bryce Gibbs...'Yeah...Nah'. What's done is done and that'd be pretty inappropriate.



There's no one answer for that, and if I gave you four reasons as to what my personal thoughts are - I'd probably be leaving out numbers five, six and seven that I'm not privy too. But a coach can't implement a game plan on a playing group and expect it to work immediately. Sure - it's footy - it's the same language, but there's different dialects. e.g - A German from the north and one from the south of the country can have great difficulty understanding each other's dialects. Same thing with footy. And some of the players want to speak the language from the north and others want to speak the one spoken in the south. I'm a fan of the one spoken in the south, but I've spent some time in München, and I think the girls are prettier and the beer is better.

Verstehen Sie?

C'mon Doc & Moshe. You guys are just embarrassing yourselves.

Wake up and smell the roses. MM was brought in to win a premiership this year. It was in the newspaper.

Ratten nearly got to a preliminary final one year. That's impressive.

Malthouses record at Collingwood, WCE & Bulldogs proved he couldn't coach and certainly proved he couldn't grow and adjust to changes in the game. Also, his inability to get the best out of players should not be forgotten. If you delete all the Premiership players, Brownlow medalists, AA's and Norm Smith medalists his record is average.

When he started at the Bulldogs they were a top 4 line up and a club used to success. He just got on for the ride. The fact that he obviously uses the same game style he did in 1985 is irrelevant.

WCE were a state line up that would of won the premiership anyway. Just ask Ron Alexander and John Todd.

Collingwood would of won the Premiership because of Eddie anyway. The fact that when he turned up and they had a small football department, no money and a shit list has nothing to do with it. He just sat back and enjoyed the ride.

Eddie then sacked him because he was taking too much credit and we all know he did nothing. Eddie and Bucks ran the place and were responsible for the game plan, development and training.

Look what has happened with Betts for example. He has been asked to tackle. FFS that is disgraceful. Our players have been asked to work hard defensively and play to a game plan. What a disgrace!!!! We all know our players like to run forward of the ball and against average sides can play some very exciting football.

The use of players like Walker, Kruezer, Tuohy, Henderson have been mystifying. Gone backwards.

If we don't win a Premiership this year it has been a disaster and MM should be sacked. With a line up including Cachia, Curnow, Armfield, Yarran, Jamison, Rowe, Watson, McLean we should be certainties. Should never lose. However, I do concede the long term injury of Pat McCarthy has cost us.

IMO we should appoint Heath Scotland coach. He is a former B&F and will be fresh from the game. Will also be happy not to go through the process and accept a 3 year deal. Perfect.

The sooner the club realise this the better. Like he has done at other clubs when he leaves MM will leave this club in a mess. The sooner we accept mediocrity the better

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I'd say in the last 10 years sports science is the biggest change in the football landscape and the biggest structural change at every club.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/m ... 6154417917

Exactly!

I'm convinced. In nearly 30 years and 700 games he hasn't adjusted his thinking once. If he could he'd still be having Brad Hardie in a back pocket.

There is NO WAY a man of 60 can change his ways or learn more. It's over.

How he has lasted this long is beyond me. Heads should roll. Disgraceful appointment.

MM do the right thing and resign!

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Drama queens

Did I say he hasn't adjusted his thinking once? Did I say any man of 60 cannot change his ways?
Did I say its beyond me how he's lasted this long?

No wonder the mental health of our nation is struggling when psychologists are prone to such illogical rantings.
What hope have the patients got.

If you cant debate the points without going over the top, go and play elsewhere.

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Play....................? This is serious.

Please BV, don't get upset, I'm agreeing with you. Your deep understanding, superior analysis and ability to get your point across in a clear manner has convinced me. I was just trying to support your argument.

His 90's attitude will cost us. Much like it nearly cost Collingwood the 2010 Premiership. Get rid of him now before it's too late, it's blatantly obvious he can't change and the last thing we want is an "autocratic" coach.









PS I don't and never have worked in Mental Health. Thank Goodness hey!

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Should try the Greek Islands in summer

They are from every place and the best you'll find at any one given time

and they all speak the same language

Everything you have said may well be true Doc. So how did we appoint him in the first place, and why would we trust our president, who has been integral in the last three appointments and sackings in contract, to have a hand in yet another appointment. Our record of appointing coaches is abysmal and has been for a decade. Of the last 4 I think Brittain was probably the best, and he was sacked because of Elliott's ego and because the committee yet again, overestimated our list. I am not sure that 1 flag in 20 years is a great strike rate for MM. He should stay for 3 years because I am sick of us compounding poor knee jerk decisions with desperate sackings, and we will see where we are at, but he is no more of a Messiah than a Pagan. And people are talking of how he will turn over the list, and replace it with what? We won't swap Carlton underperformers for anyone any better from elsewhere, and it is going to take a long time to rebuild through the draft. Mick will be here for 3 years and unless we get a new committee and new CEO we will continue to be the 3rd millenium Richmond.