Mark Neeld was a properly appointed coach.

He gave the players a chance, they failed, they now say goodbye. I have no problem with that, Mick's worth gets measured from the end of Round 23 IMO.

No way on earth you judge MM coaching this lot, especially given constraints put before him at the start of this year.

Bugger all leaders
Skilled players are soft and/or lazy
Tough players aren't skilled
Average Hbf'ers recruited ad nauseam
One way running mids
Bereft of forward marking options

Let's see where we're placed in 12 mths time, when MM has had the chance to stamp his mark and provide proper input into recruiting and trading.

If we've made no progress, sure, ask your questions.

Well said

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lets turn into richmond and put this mess on mm of course it has nothing to do with our selfish and brittle playing group? A game out there to be won and taken as per our standard they fail yet again

Even those people still wishing ratten was here would at best of got one more year out of him

He would of got the arse this year

You can see I included the pres as well....it isn't just the coach - look at Melbourne off field compared to Port Adelaide.

Would you rather the 'process' the board used to get Pagan, Ratten and Malthouse - one because he was a club great, the other two because they are 'names' and the club was worried about membership.

Amazing what happens when you go through a process and then you back him in with good assistants, good fitness people and most importantly have a sound board.

That's the common thing amongst Melbourne and Carlton...off field they are all over the place.

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You and many others don't seem to get it.

There are lots of us out there who didn't like the process in which Pagan was applied.

Didn't like Ratten being gifted it without real scrutiny - and to make it worse, surrounding him with a bunch of inexperienced assistants.

Then went and splashed the cash again on MM without any process, just so the board could say to the nuffy members 'look, we got the big name' (white knight complex again that this club is famous for). Even then still had to buy 5000 memberships (trying to get to the G).

A complete and utter shambles when it comes to coaching appointments.

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What process did Sydney, Ess, Freo and Coll use? In fact, when have Coll ever gone through the process?

I understand your point and it's valid (particularly for the CFC who NEVER go through a process)
I'm also pissed off that it was sheer lazy governence to just throw money at an experienced coach rather than search harder
The bottom line, it's like any appointment - unless you can crystal ball into the future, its a risk.

IMHO, our list is the shambles, presided over by BR.
Is MM the best person to rebuild the list? I have no idea.
He's got 2 years. After that, we can tear him to shreds if the experiment fails

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Malthouse has destroyed one of the most talented footballers in the competition Chris Yarram's confidence is at all time low he has failed to get the best out of Eddie Betts Mitch Robertson.
Mark Murphy Michael Jamieson have had ordinary seasons. Notwithstanding improvement from Lachie Henderson and Ed Curnow. Malthouse's first season has taken Carlton backwards.Carlton senior players are coming towards the end of there careers. Malthouse handling of confidence players like Yarram and Robinson is appalling.A clean out might extend Malthouse's tenure.His inability to read and encourage Yarram's undoubted talents are a disaster for the young player.

Collingwood - look at the apprenticeship Buckley did

Essendon* - Hird was surrounded with Thompson

Sydney surrounded Roos with experience.

Fremantle look on the right track and you're right they poached Lyon but they haven't got any rewards yet.

Wayne Brittain was groomed for the position too - 2002 was ruined by injury.

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MM took a decade to get the Woods to a flag, backed by the richest footy department in the land. He has been a good and successful coach, as was Pagan with the most cash strapped club in the land, how did Dennis fare at Carlton? MM has been a good coach but he also has won one flag in 20 years, not a great strike rate. The problem is we chose him from a candidature of one. He will be there for two more seasons we will bottom out - again - and he can go and enjoy a very rich and bitter retirement, and if the stooges on the committee haven't changed we will continue to make shocking, poorly thought out decisions.

He was dragged out of retirement for reasons of bitterness ego and money. He has no interest in our club and is not desperately building a career. He thinks he knows it all, and is not interested in learning.

People quoting how he took a poor Collingwood side and fashioned them into a finals side that didn't win a flag in 2002 and didn't win a flag in 2003 are clutching at straws. It was a decade ago. How were the Roos travelling when Schimma got sacked after a 30 goal loss in a praccy match and Pagan took over? Not great, then Pagan made them a great side on the smell of an oily rag. That's ancient history in both cases. Ron Barrassi was a pretty good coach, maybe we should get him. He qualifies, he was a premiership coach and he is available. We are stuck with miserable Mick for three years. I am angry at our club for consistent bad decisions for many years, but I can't say I don't get some slight sense of enjoyment from a nasty ex Richmond player and collingwoood coach struggling, just wish he was struggling somewhere else.

Coll no process. fact
Ess no process. fact
Syd no process. fact
Freo no process. fact

Wayne Brittain could've been anything at Carlton. Always dirty on that one

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Well Collingwood had one with Mick but he spat the dummy. Bucks would take over.

Remember that one?

Spat the dummy.

Hird surrounded with a multiple premiership coach

Roos surrounded with the likes of John Blakey

Ratten in his first couple of years surrounded with....? MM at Carlton surrounded with Wiley Barker Green Capuano. Amateur stuff



Always enjoy your observations gerry.

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Funny that Hinkley was seen as a Plan B or C at the time after Port had been knocked back by their preferred options.

People thinking that Malthouse is a failed appointment answer me this - do they accept that the culture and leadership in and around the club is hunky-dory and that our list is top 4 material? If the answer to those questions is 'no' then it doesn't matter who the senior coach is, the club won't go anywhere until they are sorted.

It's self-evident that there is something rotten to the core at the club. Unfortunately with Ratten so much a part of the fabric of the club, there was no way he would call a spade a spade and admit that there's a deep seated cultural and leadership problem at the club. It's taken an external appointment to bring the issue to a head.

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I one that would've like to see some process in appointing a coach at Carlton... can't remember the last time we did tbh

In saying that, there have been some massive failures at other clubs that have run through a thorough process.

Who the @#$%&! knows what the right way is... hit and miss in reality

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Well said?
This is almost exactly the same list Ratts took to the finals.
Only ins from 2011 when we had the injury year are Menzel and Rowe. Nobody else picked up after Ratts left has had a game unless my memory is deserting me. Someone posted elsewhere the exact ins and outs from the WCE final.
Regular outs still on our list who played under Ratts? Laidler, Duigan, Bell, Joseph, Ellard. Not suggesting they are guns, just stats.

If the players are basically the same and the coach is different, the game plan is different and the result is no better than is was last year, who is at fault?

Walker 50+ goal forward returned to the scene of his ordinary paying days of the last decade.
Simmo out of the wing/midfield where he was arguably our best payer for years.
Yarran played all over the park and playing like a bewildered, lost soul.
Eddie and Garlett playing with no space to run into or out of.
Murphy made captain when he is obviously not captain material.

And the man himself?

Looks angry and frustrated when we lose and is happy to publicly name players when leadership 101 says you NEVER do that.
Never looks happy with a win. Just doesn't look angry and frustrated.
Is in it for his own ego and nothing else. He has come from two clubs where the hatred of Carlton is in the genetic makeup of the club.
If he succeeds, he will get plenty of pats on th eback but his overwhelming feeling will be, 'Suck that up, Eddie.'
If he loses, he'll shrug his shoulders and walk away with a cool 3 million in his pocket, leaving us with a list built to suit his outdated game plan.

I was against it at the time and I still am. I never liked his style and to me he is just another quick fix in a long line of quick fixes. OK, Ratts was a Carlton man and appointed without due process but IIR, Barass, Big Nick, Jezza, Percy, Parkin (x2), Brittain, Pagan and now Mick were appointed without due process. There are about eight premierships in that lot. Not a bad record, really. I liked that Ratts jumped up and down in the box when Walker took MOTY. I liked that he bled for us when we lost. He may not have been the best coach in the world but he didn't have a bad record when all said and done. Plenty of coaches never get their teams into a final. Ratts isn't on that list. We could have kept him for the length of his contract.

I hope I am wrong because if I am going to see them win #17, it had better be sooner rather than later. I am getting closer by the day to my allocated three score and ten.

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