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So do the club and Waite come to an agreement at the end of the season?

How can you develop a team, have any sort of continuity when you have someone like him who can't play a full season yet is meant to play a key role in the team.


Thank Ratts for caving in on a 3 year contract with his history...yeah right, and everything is Mick's fault


Do you think they should come to an agreement at the end of the season?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:53 pm 
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We have no A grade mids...not even one... but were going to win the flag
Murphy can potentially be an A grader again... but probably with the way the game is played he will be a B+ relying on others to do the hard physical stuff and the hard running both ways...

We have no excellent midfielders...

BUT.. we do have a bunch of half back flanker types.....none of those are excellent mind you....

ill keep banging on about this... because its the most ridiculous thing we have ever done in a ridicuously huge amount of ridiculous things :yikes:

But most damning is no leadership whatsoever


So you agree Mick should have started doing something about it last off season? How can all of us see it but not him?

I blame him and those who when realizing Mick was going to do nothing about it didn't take the old man to a nicely lit room, given him a nice cuppa, asked him a few questions about his family to get him comfortable and then gently explained to him that he has inherited an unbalanced list and a mix of players incapable of getting it done and some obvious changes have to be made or you are going to waste a year.



No the bulldogs have more A graders.

Or maybe their coach trust then to play football and not some pathetic, defensive, restrictive and mind numbing game.

One that is slow and predictable in attack and one that results in our middle and defence been subjected to an inviting hammering in a turn over.



Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow


then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:03 pm 
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Effes wrote:
99prelim wrote:
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So do the club and Waite come to an agreement at the end of the season?

How can you develop a team, have any sort of continuity when you have someone like him who can't play a full season yet is meant to play a key role in the team.


Thank Ratts for caving in on a 3 year contract with his history...yeah right, and everything is Mick's fault


Do you think they should come to an agreement at the end of the season?

Don't count him as a Carlton regular... plan the team without him... treat it as a bonus when he plays

Not sure we can afford to pay out big contracts for no return

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:09 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow



then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???

There's your problem... they do their best but are nothing more than plodders tbh

We haven't had an A grade mid for two seasons now... Judd got old... Murphy can no longer ride the Judd train and Carrazzo was probably only ever a B+

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:20 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow



then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???

There's your problem... they do their best but are nothing more than plodders tbh

We haven't had an A grade mid for two seasons now... Judd got old... Murphy can no longer ride the Judd train and Carrazzo was probably only ever a B+



Agree. Why not for the remaining three games we try Graham, Bell, Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Buckley, Menzel, Lucas all through the middle.


and NO taggers.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:24 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow



then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???

There's your problem... they do their best but are nothing more than plodders tbh

We haven't had an A grade mid for two seasons now... Judd got old... Murphy can no longer ride the Judd train and Carrazzo was probably only ever a B+



Agree. Why not for the remaining three games we try Graham, Bell, Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Buckley, Menzel, Lucas all through the middle.


and NO taggers.

fmd... if Graham doesn't get a game this week I just might jump on the sakc Mick wagon

But then again, Sticks picks the side as well... already on that wagon :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:29 pm 
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Talking to a mate at the game yesterday he remarks...

Imagine we used our number one picks on Selwood, Pendlebury and Cotchin

Hindsight is a wonderful thing... has 20/20 vision they say... but you don't need Xray vision to see that our recruiters are @#$%&! garbage

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:31 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We have no A grade mids...not even one... but were going to win the flag
Murphy can potentially be an A grader again... but probably with the way the game is played he will be a B+ relying on others to do the hard physical stuff and the hard running both ways...

We have no excellent midfielders...

BUT.. we do have a bunch of half back flanker types.....none of those are excellent mind you....

ill keep banging on about this... because its the most ridiculous thing we have ever done in a ridicuously huge amount of ridiculous things :yikes:

But most damning is no leadership whatsoever


So you agree Mick should have started doing something about it last off season? How can all of us see it but not him?

I blame him and those who when realizing Mick was going to do nothing about it didn't take the old man to a nicely lit room, given him a nice cuppa, asked him a few questions about his family to get him comfortable and then gently explained to him that he has inherited an unbalanced list and a mix of players incapable of getting it done and some obvious changes have to be made or you are going to waste a year.



No the bulldogs have more A graders.

Or maybe their coach trust then to play football and not some pathetic, defensive, restrictive and mind numbing game.

One that is slow and predictable in attack and one that results in our middle and defence been subjected to an inviting hammering in a turn over.



Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow


then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???



The question you have to ask is who can and has played through the middle and why he doesn't play them this year.

What is his game plan and what does he want to achieve?

How do you win a game of footy if you can't attack?

You're always on about leadership.

What leader never takes responsibility and openly criticizes everyone and everything around him?
From the first game his game plan has been dissected het his arrogance and limited ideas are magnified by his constant tantrums and buck-passing.
How the players are suppose to give their best when their future at the club is questioned and their validity is criticised by their leader in public?

And don’t tell me he’s sifting through the strong willed and making the necessary requirements and pre-requisites to the future of the list because sorry mate it doesn’t work that way.

You lead by example, set tasks and discipline accordingly by actions in private not by parading your short comings in public thus giving more ammunition to your enemies.

This is the present mental state of our leader.

Selfish and bereft of the mental state and capabilities of his playing group.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:41 pm 
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mclean is our best midfielder

speaks volumes

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 1:48 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
mclean is our best midfielder

speaks volumes


Yep. How many Top 4 teams would he get a game in?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:42 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow



then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???

There's your problem... they do their best but are nothing more than plodders tbh

We haven't had an A grade mid for two seasons now... Judd got old... Murphy can no longer ride the Judd train and Carrazzo was probably only ever a B+



Agree. Why not for the remaining three games we try Graham, Bell, Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Buckley, Menzel, Lucas all through the middle.


and NO taggers.

fmd... if Graham doesn't get a game this week I just might jump on the sakc Mick wagon

But then again, Sticks picks the side as well... already on that wagon :lol:

what di u expect from graham ?

hes slow u know.....

and sticks and the board sign off on everyone including the coaches and team...

president sets he standards ..... or not?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:27 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow



then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???

There's your problem... they do their best but are nothing more than plodders tbh

We haven't had an A grade mid for two seasons now... Judd got old... Murphy can no longer ride the Judd train and Carrazzo was probably only ever a B+



Agree. Why not for the remaining three games we try Graham, Bell, Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Buckley, Menzel, Lucas all through the middle.


and NO taggers.

fmd... if Graham doesn't get a game this week I just might jump on the sakc Mick wagon

But then again, Sticks picks the side as well... already on that wagon :lol:


Yep picking a kid for his first game should cure out issues

He will play when he's ready


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 6:27 pm 
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Wouldn't rush him into this team at present. He'd be on his own out there, it's not as if any of the so called senior/leaders would protect him now that Juddy's injured.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:24 pm 
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Players and there pace are not questioned when
they have skill....
Selwood, bartel, Kelly and Corey are not quick but
they have skill...
Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis and Sewell and not quick but
they have skill....
Nick graham is not quick but he has skill, unlike McLean
carrazzo, curnow, Robinson, cachia and ellard....
Deserves a go, been in the best for the last 5 games,
what more does he have to do?? Yes he is ready.....


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:26 pm 
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mots wrote:
Wouldn't rush him into this team at present. He'd be on his own out there, it's not as if any of the so called senior/leaders would protect him now that Juddy's injured.

They'd be more likely to give him a spray if he doesn't kick it to them.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 8:53 pm 
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blueboy23 wrote:
Players and there pace are not questioned when
they have skill....
Selwood, bartel, Kelly and Corey are not quick but
they have skill...
Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis and Sewell and not quick but
they have skill....
Nick graham is not quick but he has skill, unlike McLean
carrazzo, curnow, Robinson, cachia and ellard....
Deserves a go, been in the best for the last 5 games,
what more does he have to do?? Yes he is ready.....

McLean has skill


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:46 pm 
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redback wrote:
Synbad wrote:
redback wrote:
club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We have no A grade mids...not even one... but were going to win the flag
Murphy can potentially be an A grader again... but probably with the way the game is played he will be a B+ relying on others to do the hard physical stuff and the hard running both ways...

We have no excellent midfielders...

BUT.. we do have a bunch of half back flanker types.....none of those are excellent mind you....

ill keep banging on about this... because its the most ridiculous thing we have ever done in a ridicuously huge amount of ridiculous things :yikes:

But most damning is no leadership whatsoever


So you agree Mick should have started doing something about it last off season? How can all of us see it but not him?

I blame him and those who when realizing Mick was going to do nothing about it didn't take the old man to a nicely lit room, given him a nice cuppa, asked him a few questions about his family to get him comfortable and then gently explained to him that he has inherited an unbalanced list and a mix of players incapable of getting it done and some obvious changes have to be made or you are going to waste a year.



No the bulldogs have more A graders.

Or maybe their coach trust then to play football and not some pathetic, defensive, restrictive and mind numbing game.

One that is slow and predictable in attack and one that results in our middle and defence been subjected to an inviting hammering in a turn over.



Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow


then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???



The question you have to ask is who can and has played through the middle and why he doesn't play them this year.

What is his game plan and what does he want to achieve?

How do you win a game of footy if you can't attack?

You're always on about leadership.

What leader never takes responsibility and openly criticizes everyone and everything around him?
From the first game his game plan has been dissected het his arrogance and limited ideas are magnified by his constant tantrums and buck-passing.
How the players are suppose to give their best when their future at the club is questioned and their validity is criticised by their leader in public?

And don’t tell me he’s sifting through the strong willed and making the necessary requirements and pre-requisites to the future of the list because sorry mate it doesn’t work that way.

You lead by example, set tasks and discipline accordingly by actions in private not by parading your short comings in public thus giving more ammunition to your enemies.

This is the present mental state of our leader.

Selfish and bereft of the mental state and capabilities of his playing group.



Who has he been blaming?....take the emotion out of it


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:58 pm 
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Looking forward to picking more than three players in the draft this year.

Actually, it's back to the old days where draft/trade period was the highlight of the season.

Fingers, legs and knackers crossed we get it right this time.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 8:01 am 
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Hornet wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Go through their mids one by one and then ours.

We have been wallpapered by judd..

our midfield is rookie isted picks.

even carrazzo when he plays.. and he isnt a grade is a rookie listed player
ellard
bell
cachia
curnow



then there re blokes from other clubs.. mclean judd and carrazzo..

so the questions needs to be asked.. where have our picks for mids gone come draft day???

There's your problem... they do their best but are nothing more than plodders tbh

We haven't had an A grade mid for two seasons now... Judd got old... Murphy can no longer ride the Judd train and Carrazzo was probably only ever a B+



Agree. Why not for the remaining three games we try Graham, Bell, Tuohy, Gibbs, Betts, Buckley, Menzel, Lucas all through the middle.


and NO taggers.

fmd... if Graham doesn't get a game this week I just might jump on the sakc Mick wagon

But then again, Sticks picks the side as well... already on that wagon :lol:


When I asked Sticks why we dropped 3 mids at the aftermatch function he said he hasn't been on the MC for 8 years. He didn't really like the question, not sure why


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PostPosted: Mon Aug 12, 2013 10:23 am 
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Gee, Dez, you're just a pesky supporter asking pesky valid questions. Sticks hasn't the time for such common sense nonsense from riff raff supporters.


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