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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:56 pm 
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Every coach has his right hand

Do you think we will find the money to pay credible coaches?

My mate who was BANNED here .... earlier this year.. by the mods cos they thought he was a troll.. asked questions re Wiley etc....

The problem is the club didnt have the money to bring in coaches.

They are penny wise pound foolish....


everyone around the club is either way underpaid or way over paid....

My club is foolish...!!!

We have a president named Sticks!!!.. who the hell hs a president called Sticks??.. a guy who is dumb as dog shit.. and wont step away... though i hear its all getting too much for him atm... and he is considering stepping down....

But we know he wont... cos he wants to be the president for our 150th...





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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:01 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Every coach has his right hand

Do you think we will find the money to pay credible coaches?


They find the money to flick Ratten (couple of years left...1.2M?) Richo would've been on 300+?

Then spent big bucks again on MM.

Spent money buying memberships.

Pratts Geminders Mathiesons....I'm sure there's others.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:07 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Every coach has his right hand

Do you think we will find the money to pay credible coaches?


They find the money to flick Ratten (couple of years left...1.2M?) Richo would've been on 300+?

Then spent big bucks again on MM.

Spent money buying memberships.

Pratts Geminders Mathiesons....I'm sure there's others.


It was all about publicity...to get recognition of a milestone...let us know how good they are...maybe get us back at the MCG.

What a farce....Elliot like smoke and mirrors.
Is Elliot still pulling strings from the outside. God forbid.
Well it feels circa 2002 except we missed the spoon...thanks GWS GC and Melb, Saints too....but see yu soon.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:11 pm 
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Biggest issue for me us lack of young talent coming through.

Confident Graham & Menzel will become class players. Bootsma another possible?

Guys like Watson, McCarthy, Casboult, Bell are players that we live in hope that they might become AFL players but there are genuine doubts on all of them.

Take away our top picks, who have doubts on them, we have a team of plodders.

Clear out and draft a bunch of talented pure midfielders. Trade for talls.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:18 pm 
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Effes wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Every coach has his right hand

Do you think we will find the money to pay credible coaches?


They find the money to flick Ratten (couple of years left...1.2M?) Richo would've been on 300+?

Then spent big bucks again on MM.

Spent money buying memberships.

Pratts Geminders Mathiesons....I'm sure there's others.



Yes spent money on Visy cardboard members

Spent money on all kinds of things.

Didnt spend money on coaches and development....

Remember last years VFL coach??.... didnt spend money on him....
Didnt spend money sacking the conditioning bloke last year.... even though they wanted to... but this year his contract wasnt extended for next year....
Didnt get rid of Hughes he had a contract .. kept him on as a high paid spotter.. cos they would have had to pay him out plus find a spotter...

Tight arse tuesday at the movies is tight us every day .....

On the surface all seems fine... underneath the rot festers....

and thats with benefactor money..!!!

the club is being flushed down the toilet...

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There is only one guy that doesnt @#$%&! around and take nonsense from Oligarchs

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 9:16 am 
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we are going to have to cop our medicine now

no more quick fixes

look at what Hardwick has achieved in 3 years. I remember thinking in 2010 how bad Richmond were and they were a decade away with GC & GWS plundering the draft with early picks. They have yet to win the premiership but at least they have laid a foundation, which I think will be more sustainable that what we have achieved over the last five years

this gives me some hope that we can turn it around in 3-5 years

my simple start blueprint for recruiting over the next few years would be:

- focus on hard bodied midfielders and build midfield depth
- players that can kick
- establish a core of 10 - 12 players who will take you forward and recruit around them (and play them)
- retain the right experienced players for the transition to ensure we don't become a complete basket case ala Bulldogs
- trade hard and top up on as many draft picks as possible, including third or fourth rounders
- focus on leadership qualities and aggressive attributes
- discard "best available" player policy in the draft, recruit for needs to establish balance
- with room in the salary cap, target a few FA's and not throw all your eggs into one basket ala Cloke

The most critical point is to remain patient and stay the course. This will be our biggest test.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 10:57 am 
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10 looks like a starting number and not the final head count.

We want players with a committment to doing what is neededto win games not just get their personal stats above 15 in a game.

Of these we do not have enough in the 22 who run out.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:02 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:10 am 
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Cachia, and Curnow - not up to it. A decision has to be made there. Too slow, not the best skills and dont get enough of the ball.

Then the rest.... Oh my... Interesting end of season for us I reckon..


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:22 am 
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Cachia, and Curnow - not up to it. A decision has to be made there. Too slow, not the best skills and dont get enough of the ball.

Then the rest.... Oh my... Interesting end of season for us I reckon..


Our current midfield structure really lacks any zip, class or speed through the middle.

At times yesterday we had McLean, Curnow, Cachia, Scotland, Murphy, Armfield all pushing through the middle. No wonder we struggle.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:27 am 
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We have no A grade mids...not even one... but were going to win the flag
Murphy can potentially be an A grader again... but probably with the way the game is played he will be a B+ relying on others to do the hard physical stuff and the hard running both ways...

We have no excellent midfielders...

BUT.. we do have a bunch of half back flanker types.....none of those are excellent mind you....

ill keep banging on about this... because its the most ridiculous thing we have ever done in a ridicuously huge amount of ridiculous things :yikes:

But most damning is no leadership whatsoever

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 11:41 am 
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Synbad wrote:
We have no A grade mids...not even one... but were going to win the flag
Murphy can potentially be an A grader again... but probably with the way the game is played he will be a B+ relying on others to do the hard physical stuff and the hard running both ways...

We have no excellent midfielders...

BUT.. we do have a bunch of half back flanker types.....none of those are excellent mind you....

ill keep banging on about this... because its the most ridiculous thing we have ever done in a ridicuously huge amount of ridiculous things :yikes:

But most damning is no leadership whatsoever


So you agree Mick should have started doing something about it last off season? How can all of us see it but not him?

I blame him and those who when realizing Mick was going to do nothing about it didn't take the old man to a nicely lit room, given him a nice cuppa, asked him a few questions about his family to get him comfortable and then gently explained to him that he has inherited an unbalanced list and a mix of players incapable of getting it done and some obvious changes have to be made or you are going to waste a year.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:04 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We have no A grade mids...not even one... but were going to win the flag
Murphy can potentially be an A grader again... but probably with the way the game is played he will be a B+ relying on others to do the hard physical stuff and the hard running both ways...

We have no excellent midfielders...

BUT.. we do have a bunch of half back flanker types.....none of those are excellent mind you....

ill keep banging on about this... because its the most ridiculous thing we have ever done in a ridicuously huge amount of ridiculous things :yikes:

But most damning is no leadership whatsoever


So you agree Mick should have started doing something about it last off season? How can all of us see it but not him?

I blame him and those who when realizing Mick was going to do nothing about it didn't take the old man to a nicely lit room, given him a nice cuppa, asked him a few questions about his family to get him comfortable and then gently explained to him that he has inherited an unbalanced list and a mix of players incapable of getting it done and some obvious changes have to be made or you are going to waste a year.



yes of course... but you do agree mckay is footy manager and has a job to do.clearly he didnt and is another stumbling block

but we also agree the club is in the wrong hands from top to bottom.. and the responsibiity begins at the top and they never accept any?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:12 pm 
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So do the club and Waite come to an agreement at the end of the season?

How can you develop a team, have any sort of continuity when you have someone like him who can't play a full season yet is meant to play a key role in the team.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:14 pm 
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The concern about making changes to the list is what do we bring in?

Our record for trading & drafts over the past decade is abysmal.

I have no doubt that MM & Wiley will need to take control of the recruiting. How can he have confidence in the current people?

Hughes & Rogers record is poor by any type of assessment. Their recruitment strategy seems to revolve around excitement level more so than any mental capability, ability to push themselves or desire for success. Luke Williams is now here but how good will he be without Wells and actually what is his role exactly?

The key areas of any football department are List Management, Recruiting & Development. In all areas we have failed, they need to be addressed before anything else. I also believe our fitness and body size has been a weakness.

This can be fixed but some hard and smart decisions need to be made.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:14 pm 
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Time to give some new people a go.

Big mistake thinking all our on field problems last year lay with the coach and completely ignoring 80% of the problem. The mix of players.

Sure, change up the coach as he had his turn but really we could have done better solving the real issues holding back the on field performance.

The talkback radio nuffs got everyone at the club rattled which is unforgivable.

Disappointing.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:16 pm 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We have no A grade mids...not even one... but were going to win the flag
Murphy can potentially be an A grader again... but probably with the way the game is played he will be a B+ relying on others to do the hard physical stuff and the hard running both ways...

We have no excellent midfielders...

BUT.. we do have a bunch of half back flanker types.....none of those are excellent mind you....

ill keep banging on about this... because its the most ridiculous thing we have ever done in a ridicuously huge amount of ridiculous things :yikes:

But most damning is no leadership whatsoever


So you agree Mick should have started doing something about it last off season? How can all of us see it but not him?

I blame him and those who when realizing Mick was going to do nothing about it didn't take the old man to a nicely lit room, given him a nice cuppa, asked him a few questions about his family to get him comfortable and then gently explained to him that he has inherited an unbalanced list and a mix of players incapable of getting it done and some obvious changes have to be made or you are going to waste a year.



No the bulldogs have more A graders.

Or maybe their coach trust then to play football and not some pathetic, defensive, restrictive and mind numbing game.

One that is slow and predictable in attack and one that results in our middle and defence been subjected to an inviting hammering in a turn over.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:21 pm 
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Effes wrote:
So do the club and Waite come to an agreement at the end of the season?

How can you develop a team, have any sort of continuity when you have someone like him who can't play a full season yet is meant to play a key role in the team.


Don't think he is a key part of our plans anymore. Should have been moved on a few years ago.

Put him on a flank for next year. That's if he can stay fit. Then ask him to retire.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:43 pm 
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WOW wrote:
we are going to have to cop our medicine now
no more quick fixes
The most critical point is to remain patient and stay the course. This will be our biggest test.

This would mean choosing organic. We don`t do organic. We choose preservatives, additives, sugar.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 12:50 pm 
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Effes wrote:
So do the club and Waite come to an agreement at the end of the season?

How can you develop a team, have any sort of continuity when you have someone like him who can't play a full season yet is meant to play a key role in the team.


Thank Ratts for caving in on a 3 year contract with his history...yeah right, and everything is Mick's fault

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