what a debacle

i predicted it would happen last week - monstered by a bottom side

though we are a bottom side as well

we have hit absolute rock bottom

not sure we will be able to make as many changes as we need to this offseason

what an utterly shit season

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Blame WH draft selection how could you get so many
Selection wrong you could understand if you got 10%
wrong but not 90% of he's draft picks should be the
first bloke sacked from this club.

Menzel, Rowe, Bootsma, Watson and Yarran were the only guys that played today who were taken in the last 5 National Drafts.

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Sack Swan for keeping Hughes.

Hughes was employed about 2004.

I don't know how it looked on TV but at the game we were absolutely deplorable in our run both offensively and defensively.

Nobody wanted to chase, NOBODY. The Dogs players just ran in waves and @#$%&! me our players are dumb. Lost count of the amount of time two players went to one with the ball leaving an easy opportunity to handball/kick over the top and their other player is free.

Also extremely soft, no one wanted to go in and get the ball, rather wait for the opposition to get it then try to tackle* them. Sometimes you just have to @#$%&! go in and get. Actually, not sometimes, MOST times. It was an extremely soft effort by the whole team.

We had a bloke in our group, it was his second ever footy match. Midway through the second he made the comment "either Carlton are the slowest team in the AFL or they just do not want to chase. WTF is going on?" It was that obvious.

Offensively we were static, always second guessing ourselves, no movement, no creativity, nothing. One of the most depressing performances I've ever witnessed.

Also, as many already pointed out, the selections were deplorable. Way too tall, we looked a lot better once Watson was off and Yarran replaced him (though he was no good either).

Don't know who the blame lies with, won't get into that debate. Players, coaches, administration, probably a combination of all.

Bootsma and Menzel were the positives today, and Judd still keeps on going. Other than that, the cupboard is very bare. Murphy, Waite, Walker horrendous. I love Zac too.

*I use the word tackle extremely loosely. Our blokes can't tackle for shit and must've been born in candy store, they love to swallow everyone's.

Watto was doing ok before he got injured. I agree with a lot of what you say Nick. Don't know why Waite was selected, did nothing, obviously wasn't right to play. Rowe is a great story, but offers nothing. Walker's jibbed it lately. I can't handle that. Murphy and Gibbs disappointing again. Boots was one of our best along with Curnow and Judd before he was injured. I blame the players today. They are supposed to be professionals, they shouldn't need to be told to chase and man up and put their head over the ball. I am sorry to say but we have a number of players who won't put their body on the line. They need to be moved on and I don't care how talented they are.

Malthouse appointment was terrible.. The sooner he is gone the better. The blokes that put him in have made their biggest mistake. They should never had let the nuffs on talkback radio stooge them into it. Time to give someone else a go.

If that is the measure it would have been a measure last off season when Mick decided to sit on his hands during trade week.

How he let us go into this year with our current list is a mystery. The whole football world knew where we were at except him.

and sticks, mckay, swan, the board

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

In: Bootsma, Cachia, Curnow, Gibbs, McLean, Menzel, Rowe, Watson, Waite - lost to the Western Bulldogs by 5 goals, who managed only their 11th win in two years.

Out: Carrazzo, Davies, Duigan, Ellard, Joseph, Laidler, Oh'Ailpin, Robinson, Thornton - lost a semi-final in Perth to West Coast by 3 points.

Out coached. Outplayed.

Gone.

I am sure the new super coach would have got what he wanted. Unfortunately he wanted to sell his daughters book and a the club to make a huge bid for Cloke rather than have a good look at the list.

So if you knew where we were at, why are you so shocked at where we find ourselves, wanting MM basically sacked?
Our list is close to the worst in the AFL (5 players tonight from the last 5 drafts FFFFFMMMMMDDD) It's basically made up of #1 picks and rookies FFS
Has MM over estimated our list...yeah probably...big flowering deal. His assessment of each player is now informed. From October, it becomes his side. Judge him next year
MM has experimented this year. Some things have worked, some haven't
He won't go anytime soon. You and some others can sook all summer about another year with the silver haired grumpy prick.
I'm not a disciple of his but I'll give him some time

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If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Missed krooz terribly today, he sets the agenda

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..if you can't be good, be good at it..

Kreuzer is certainly a talented player ( that is to be expected from a number 1 draft pick) but honestly i fail to see how he sets any agenda, he puts in some very good performances but he is no leader at our club and that is one thing we really are crying out for, people with leadership qualities and a list of players who are willing to fight to win games not roll over when it all becomes too hard for them.

Unless we bring some people into the club who possess those qualities we will continue to go nowhere.

Exactly Synners
The board must go before we get any better. period.
the good thing is this year there no excuses
no injuries
no lack of experience
the coach is a good coach
simply put they nedd to drop a dozen players for next week.
Who cares now.
Make a flower statement and show some balls
that as a club we wont tolerate crap

Lol

If u think those 2 adjustments would of changed the result u need to get off the happy gas

Oh my god

Why just replace him at the top.......he should have been shown the door. Soft off the field. Soft on it.

I find it odd that people are blaming MM for doing his daughters book promotion instead of being at the club/evaluating the list etc. The board were well aware of this when they hired him, he didn't spring it upon them after his appointment. Surely your anger or displeasure should be aimed at them.

The fact that there were 5 players from the past 5 national drafts in our side last night is damning. Our list management has been diabolical. The Bulldogs midfield is already greater than ours and ours is going to get worse before it gets better.

that's what happens when you overrate your list

tend to stick with the same players, who you believe will deliver you a premiership

heavy reliance on players like Judd and Murphy will prove to be part of our downfall