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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:07 pm 
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Sugarcane wrote:
Walker is soft and poor one on one so shouldn't be a defender

Touhy is lax so not a defender either

Both have very likeable offensive flair

We have very few natural quality defenders, that's why they play Bootsma bec the kid has something


Talk to Swan Hughes and Rodgers as to why our list is so good...


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:08 pm 
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clubs infested

skip the independent review.. we know what its going to say.....

bring in this..

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:08 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
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King Kerna has blinkers on and thinks its all Mickey Mouses fault


I would say that giving MM a free pass might also be blinkered.

Ratten had to go but this guy has been a major let down.


Whose giving him a free pass?

I said be needs to take some heat for this loss and the players looking flat

But if you can't see the bigger picture then I can't help you

Look at the list

The fact this list have never done better than fifth

It's common sense really

How many players are either unskilled or soft? It's half the list !


Still hasn't done well with what he's got.

Way too defensive.

Apparently the players didn't rate Ratts and he was a sh1t coach but Mick hasn't managed to be any better and has had no injuries.

We have 3 or 4 of these performances next year he should be shipped out.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:15 pm 
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A few more days like today and we will all stop supporting deplorable worst performance of the year even best earlier effort against Aints
We are the MOST disappointing side in the competition
Wholesale renovations needed
Long haul sick of long hauls
Start weeding them out Mick and if you can't or can't get a better effort it is going to be a long 3 years under your tenure
Pathetic mentally weak side that continually let's supporter base down and every opposition knows it has a chance because we are so brittle
Grow up or piss off and I mean the whole team
50 000 members you let down continually
Enjoy your off season boys because when the tough get going in september you yellow bellies will be sunning yourself in Bali or somewhere hopefully contemplating another shithouse season


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:16 pm 
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HERE GOES NOTHING..............
This should have been our slogan this year instead of "I am Carlton".
Tonight was a total and utter embarrassment and thankfully puts an end to the 2013 season which promised a lot and delivered nothing other than a cold hard reality check. If I hear injuries/rotations used as an excuse I will vomit!!!. This game was over in the first qtr and had dogs kicked straight we should have lost by 10 goals plus.

Here are the simple facts - We have a team of mediocre and poor players who are not good enough to take us to the next level, our top players are all having a bad season and in reality we have no real "A-graders". As has been the case for the last 5 years too much is left to too few but unfortunately players like Judd and Murphy have lost their powers.
Our skills are poor especially kicking, our tackling is laughable, our decision making under pressure is awful and our tactics are flawed.
Most disturbingly our mental fragility is so ingrained in the team that I fear/believe we will never go forward until the majority of current players are gone.
FACT we are at least a 6 years away from finals success and that assumes we don't continue our history of terrible recruiting.

My anger is not just directed at tonight's loss but rather the culmination of a shithouse season which has seen me lose more hair and nearly all faith in our team.

I am happy to give the players a spray because they deserve it but so does Mick Malthouse for another week of terrible team selection and poor coaching.
Our midfield has been killed for 6 weeks in a row yet we make 4 changes (2 forced and 2 omissions), 3 midfielders go out yet we dont bring in a single midfielder WTF????? Graham has been killing them in the VFL yet he cant crack a spot in the weakest midfield in the comp??? Bell should also have been in the team as a ball winner. We are getting smashed at clearnaces/stoppages all over the ground yet we bring in players who are incapable of changing the situation.

I realise for some reason Maltouse hates Laidler and has stamped his card but how bad can he be to have only been given 1 game all year??? I mean its not like he is trying to break into the Swans stable backline, this is a dysfunctional leaky back line. If Laidler was in the team it would free Simpson (or Walker) to go into the midfield where he has played his career best footy. Whilst I am talking about the backline a simple message for Scotland and Touhy, if you want to sneak forward you have to be prepared for the ball to come back with interest, it's all well and good to kick a flashy goal Touhy but Dickson killed you when the ball was in their forward line, just like last week Walters 4 goals negated your 3 goals - Your a defender!!!

Everyone has mentioned that the 3 amigos does not work, even Malthouse conceded as much yet he selects them again and it fails again.....Take the hint Mick they are hopeless and as a forward line we will never succeed whilst they run around together. If we want to look at players who deserve to be in the side none of garlett, Betts or Yarran should be playing they are down on form and their workrate is awful. Having 3 of essentially the same player is ahuge disadvantage b/c when they flop they cannot be rotated elsewhere on the ground.
Whilst I am talking about flops.......Sam Rowe......OMG!!!! Seriously he is not up to AFL standard and is a liability to the side, I would love to hear the justification for his selection, Casboult and Mitchell may be bad but they are surely better than Rowe.
Each week after a loss you tell us about changes that will be made yet you persist with the same crap players, if your harshest punishment is making Yarran the sub then you have clearly bluffed everyone with your so called tough attitude.
Tactics - I have mentioned it before but the game plan of play wide and maintain possession may haver worked at Collingwood but it doesn't work at Carlton as we dont have the footskills neccessary to pull it off. By all means keep trying it but dont be surprised when it fails repeatedly.

Mick you have told us there will be list changes but I want to see more than that and I want to see something happen NOW. How you can come out and say anyone is untouchable from the current list is a joke. The only reason they would be untouchable is because nobody else wanted them!

Its easy for me to bag such an insipid side but "I want answers" I hear you say......
Well here goes. Short term and Long term.

Short term:
Team changes - Out: Yarran,Betts, Warnock, Rowe, Armfield, Garlett,
In: Graham, Bell, Laidler, Kreuzer, Mitchell, Lucas,

Tactics - More direct style of footy with an emphasis of using the corridor especially when entering forward 50. Waite to play further up the ground true CHF and have Hendo closer to goal. The addition of Laidler across HBF allows simpson into midfield. Walker to go rotate going forward and move Waite or Hendo to HBF if playing against talls such as Dons or Tigers. Gibbs into the midfield and Cacchia to go into defence. Players like Touhy and Scotland to focus on defence rather than sneaking up the ground and then being hurt on the rebound.

Play the kids - menzel, graham, temay, mitchell etc.., there is nothing to lose and its now all about selling hope for 2014 to weary memebers.

Find Some Pride - This team is devoid of flair, dash, and most sadly heart. They look like a dis-spirited sad team that does not want to play for each other, the coach or the club. After a win the club song is sung with no gusto and after a loss the players look as if it was all inevitable. Where is the passion, where is the pride??

Long term:
This is what is really important because 2013 is done and dusted.

1. Trade and Delist: - We must rebuild (I hate that word) unfortunately that is what is required and we need players across all lines - skilled midfielders, a KPP (forward preferably) and an effective inside midfielder.
You want names????? I'll give you names:
Delist - Rowe (who u just gave another contract), Collins, Okeefe, Joseph, Duigan, McArthy, Mitchell (if he is not up to it), Scotland to retire.
Trade- 2 of Yarran, Betts, Garlett, definitely trade Warnock (who the hell gave him a 3 year deal??), Hampson, Robinson, and 2 of: Armfield, Curnow, Carrazzo, Bell or Cacchia as they are all too similar.
I am sorry to say we must trade a player with currency to get something so that means it may be time to say goodbye to Gibbs, Jamo or even Walker or a similar player. My choice would be Gibbs (even though I like him)
Essentially every player except for Murphy and Hendo is open for trade talk. Simpson is almost off the table b/c he is the only one who shows some heart every week.
Here is a trade worth considering - Yarran, warnock and pick 8 for GWS pick 1 which we use on Boyd.

2. Forget Arizon and altitude training it a flowering waste of time in fact we are proof it is a rort. Spend the money on kicking, tackling and fitness coaches and the remainder spend on psychologists to try and engineer this team a backbone and a hard edge.
Start preseason in the first week of September because this season has proved we are no fit enough!!

3. Change the game plan (already discussed) and promise us we will never ever have to endure the 3 small forward line setup.

4. Pray!

I could go on but I need to go and eat dinner even though I lost my appetite watching the game.

GO BLUES

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:16 pm 
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Blue Revival wrote:
can't see why anyone would want to come to the club. players or coaches

Thats the big issue, we havent been able to get in too many players over the past few years.
I cant see why any decent player would want to come and play with us.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:20 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
50 000 members you let down continually

45,000 cos 5000 are cardboard cut outs

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:21 pm 
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Like the Buddha reference Synbad.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:22 pm 
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mikkey wrote:

Rome was not build in a day and I find people are naive when they expect the quick success due to change of coach.


Hasn't the club had that view since Pagan's appointment?

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:25 pm 
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Can't believe you guys are blaming MM.
We have a shit list! No coaches can turn this shit mob into gold.
The culture of the club is awful, a big bunch of softies that gives up easily.
Getting rid of Ratts was a correct decision.
Let's just wait and see what MM does in the draft/trading period first. Mick traded Paul Williams and Mal Michael is his 1st/2nd year at Collingwood, and they played in the grand final the following year, so MM is not afraid to make big decisions.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:27 pm 
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in keeping with my theme i present a very early Greek buddha statue... this one comes with hercules.

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hercules on right.. placed there by the greek sculptor to protect buddha :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:31 pm 
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the thing that really irks me is we have had ample opportunities to build a quality list since 2002, with numerous early draft picks and increased resources and not once have we been in contention for a premiership, not even a prelim final. That is over 11 years and counting.

what a debacle.

Give me something Carlton.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:36 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Effes wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Sack Malthouse


Sticks and Swan appointed Malthouse.


They're all responsible.

Appointments made to cover their arses, try to show the membership they're doing something.

They don't have a plan.

The club has a white knight complex.

It isn't the 80s anymore where chequebooks ruled.

Pagan esque bombing to contests.


Let me get this right. You supported a coach who got us no where with over 100 games, high draft picks, the best player in the league and for a fair time a coleman medalist. And you won't support a coach who has a track record, 20 games, no chance to build a list and no stars and who is honest enough to face reality. At the very least give him the 3 seasons its going to take to rebuild the list


yep lets look to next year and see before we judge


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:37 pm 
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I want to look in the eyes of the person who said Bootsma was the 22nd best 18yo in the world.

No one had him in the top 100

Y?

Don't blame MM.

Whoever is or are our recruiters need to shot


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:38 pm 
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One of the biggest problems we have now with our is because of previous actions or lack there of. We have not turned over this list anywhere near enough in the last 4 to 5 years. We have hung onto players who weren't going to make it. Wasted draft picks on second rate players. Drafted pretty boys with early picks. Tried to fix our lack of key position players in one draft. Drafted too many of the same type of player. MM needs time to get a list together thats going to work with him not against him. When was the last time we drafted a player with leadership qualities?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:48 pm 
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The list is crap, the list is crap.
ok..maybe it is.. maybe most of it is.
let's take Walker.
Does anybody remember walks from last year?
The happy soaring skywalker who thrilled us weekly?
Kicked most of our goals?
Does he seem happy now?
Leaping for joy is he?
Taking those awesome grabs?
Too old now?
Just a hack who got lucky for awhile?
Eddie Betts.
Improved under MM or gone backwards?
Murphy?
How was he last year?
Carrots..didn't he used to be quite good? Robbo? was he never any good? Was he ever as bad as he is now?
How a bout we don't get locked in to a coach v players roundabout.
Plenty of crap on both sides I reckon.
Of course MMcan improve things with a good budget, but hey, which employed coach in the AFL right now coudn't?
What promise and hope is he showing us right now?
Do you like that we never see the players look like they are enjoying their footy?
Even when it's obvious they should run down the middle and get a quick goal,
They turn and kick it out to the boundary. Poor buggers.
I will give you 2E and Lachie though. They are shining under MM.
and even if players don't like Mick's style, I still think they should be busting a gut for their own pride.
Players and Coach. Not one or the other.
and ..as Synners says..it starts at the top.
What a mess.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:49 pm 
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Sad day
Sad year
Sad decade

Just sad :cry:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:51 pm 
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Man it is really hard to read all this from "supporters". If we are the supporters, I'd hate to see the detractors.

Under ratts we had no defensive pressure and we played a flashy brand of football. We'd get beaten up all the time by the bigger stronger teams. The finals we nearly won were shoot outs not because of our toughness.

Mick knows that it will require a tough brand of football to reliably compete. Who on our list is tough? Our defensive forwards apply absolutely no defensive pressure at the moment. With some clever off season trading we will be back up quickly, the only difference will be that we have players with a bit of guts about them.

We will be ok. We will probably win our remaining games for the season.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:51 pm 
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bluegirl.. that was walker 2 years ago... not last year

he thrilled u s this year too.. that goal v stilda was a ripsnorter

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:52 pm 
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blueslander wrote:
Man it is really hard to read all this from "supporters". If we are the supporters, I'd hate to see the detractors.

Under ratts we had no defensive pressure and we played a flashy brand of football. We'd get beaten up all the time by the bigger stronger teams. The finals we nearly won were shoot outs not because of our toughness.

Mick knows that it will require a tough brand of football to reliably compete. Who on our list is tough? Our defensive forwards apply absolutely no defensive pressure at the moment. With some clever off season trading we will be back up quickly, the only difference will be that we have players with a bit of guts about them.

We will be ok. We will probably win our remaining games for the season.

How on earth will we beat the Tigers?

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