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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:53 pm 
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MPH78 wrote:
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Hard to see how anyone can't see the change in the way we are being coached. We've gone from unpredictable but exciting, to predictable, plodding and uninspiring.

We haven't put in an excellent effort this season, the first time as such, since Pagan was involved.


Sad but true.


I reckon we put in 3 or 4 "excellent efforts" early in the season, and against the best teams. But the result didn't go our way - in hindsight because we aren't good enough - but I think they were "excellent efforts". But with this list, that's as good as it's ever going to get. Time to cull the dross, and that may include the assistant coaches too.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:53 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
I have no right to Complain... I have kept my money in my pocket this year and refused to re-new my membership despite the numerous attempts and begging by the club via E-mails/Letters and phone calls to Sign up.

I was extremely angry at last year's draft and list changes. The fact that we stayed away. We were not interested in trading hard and making serious changes to our list. When I questioned the club at the way they went about the draft last year, their response was " We didn't need to do anything. We have a strong list that is going to take us to a top 4 spot this year".

This was coming from the recruiting Manager at Carlton. Are you friggin Serious? what a Joke....


Its not the end of the World- One year behind but never too late. Start all over again. Clean up the damn list. Get rid of no less than 12 players. Get some established players and young talents.


Tell me who we should have traded or delisted. But before you list them, make sure they're players that either had currency or weren't contracted. List mgt was a shambles pre MM.


Yet we offered Cloke the best part of a million. :screwy: Funny that.
That tells me the "list management shambles" is a bullshit excuse.

He was a free agent u realise


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:53 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
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Sack Malthouse


Sticks and Swan appointed Malthouse.


They're all responsible.

Appointments made to cover their arses, try to show the membership they're doing something.

They don't have a plan.

The club has a white knight complex.

It isn't the 80s anymore where chequebooks ruled.

Pagan esque bombing to contests.


Let me get this right. You supported a coach who got us no where with over 100 games, high draft picks, the best player in the league and for a fair time a coleman medalist. And you won't support a coach who has a track record, 20 games, no chance to build a list and no stars and who is honest enough to face reality. At the very least give him the 3 seasons its going to take to rebuild the list


You seem to fail reading comprehension on a regular basis.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:53 pm 
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Perhaps we had the ol' white knight waiting to chip in. Players had agreed to drop $$'s & the club would only chase upgrades rather than trading for like or unders for the sake of trading.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:53 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
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Are all the sakc ratts people suddenly realizing he wasn't the only problem?
Many here didn't want MM.
He is a professional coach from another era when shouting at players and sticking rigidly to plan A was acceptable.
The new, young coaches have new, young ideas and game plans and they have passed the MM game plan by years ago.

Ratts may have been lacking in a lot of ways but at least he loved this club and it hurt his heart when he lost. It just hurts MM's ego.

We are officially crap and MM will not take us anywhere. He will rebuild the team into a 1980's-style dream team that will finish bottom half of the eight. Luckily he only has two years left.

2-3 years ago is another era?

Ratten built this shit... Malthouse has to fix it

I'll judge MM on next years performance

Year 3 I will judge him


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:54 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Effes wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
Sack Malthouse


Sticks and Swan appointed Malthouse.


They're all responsible.

Appointments made to cover their arses, try to show the membership they're doing something.

They don't have a plan.

The club has a white knight complex.

It isn't the 80s anymore where chequebooks ruled.

Pagan esque bombing to contests.


Let me get this right. You supported a coach who got us no where with over 100 games, high draft picks, the best player in the league and for a fair time a coleman medalist. And you won't support a coach who has a track record, 20 games, no chance to build a list and no stars and who is honest enough to face reality. At the very least give him the 3 seasons its going to take to rebuild the list


Robert Walls has a track record, David Parkin has a great track record. Hell, even Tommy Hafey has a better track record. The difference is they knew when they were past it.
Our problem is the bloke with a room size mural of himself in his lounge room cant bring himself to extract himself from the spotlight.

Like Isaid elsewhere, not only did McGuire get rid of Malthouse, he talked us into taking him!
The ultimate Collingwood revenge. He must go to bed every night pissing himself laughing. Lets hope this is our boards final blunder.


Stick to what you're good at BV, dealing with facts and a rational argument AND then censuring those who don't. Your last post was drivel (IMMHO)

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:55 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Dodo27 wrote:
I have no right to Complain... I have kept my money in my pocket this year and refused to re-new my membership despite the numerous attempts and begging by the club via E-mails/Letters and phone calls to Sign up.

I was extremely angry at last year's draft and list changes. The fact that we stayed away. We were not interested in trading hard and making serious changes to our list. When I questioned the club at the way they went about the draft last year, their response was " We didn't need to do anything. We have a strong list that is going to take us to a top 4 spot this year".

This was coming from the recruiting Manager at Carlton. Are you friggin Serious? what a Joke....


Its not the end of the World- One year behind but never too late. Start all over again. Clean up the damn list. Get rid of no less than 12 players. Get some established players and young talents.


Tell me who we should have traded or delisted. But before you list them, make sure they're players that either had currency or weren't contracted. List mgt was a shambles pre MM.


Yet we offered Cloke the best part of a million. :screwy: Funny that.
That tells me the "list management shambles" is a bullshit excuse.


Too busy promoting the book.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:56 pm 
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Ratten built a side that could play some excellent football and some absolute shite football. Enough excellent football to get us to three consecutive top 8 finishes though.

We haven't played any, not any at all, excellent football this year. We've played some okay football, just okay, and a lot of shite. Nothing at all to happy about.

2013 has been woeful, and it's entirely due to Malthouse's approach. He hasn't lost any stars, has had the opportunity to play Menzel as well, and has failed this year.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:57 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Ratten built a side that could play some excellent football and some absolute shite football. Enough excellent football to get us to three consecutive top 8 finishes though.

We haven't played any, not any at all, excellent football this year. We've played some okay football, just okay, and a lot of shite. Nothing at all to happy about.

2013 has been woeful, and it's entirely due to Malthouse's approach. He hasn't lost any stars, has had the opportunity to play Menzel as well, and has failed this year.


Wonder what this sort of season will do to the membership for 2014.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 8:59 pm 
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Effes wrote:
verbs wrote:
Ratten built a side that could play some excellent football and some absolute shite football. Enough excellent football to get us to three consecutive top 8 finishes though.

We haven't played any, not any at all, excellent football this year. We've played some okay football, just okay, and a lot of shite. Nothing at all to happy about.

2013 has been woeful, and it's entirely due to Malthouse's approach. He hasn't lost any stars, has had the opportunity to play Menzel as well, and has failed this year.


Wonder what this sort of season will do to the membership for 2014.


Dont worry.

Sticks says its all going ok.....


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:00 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
Effes wrote:
Mosquito Fleet wrote:

Sticks and Swan appointed Malthouse.


They're all responsible.

Appointments made to cover their arses, try to show the membership they're doing something.

They don't have a plan.

The club has a white knight complex.

It isn't the 80s anymore where chequebooks ruled.

Pagan esque bombing to contests.


Let me get this right. You supported a coach who got us no where with over 100 games, high draft picks, the best player in the league and for a fair time a coleman medalist. And you won't support a coach who has a track record, 20 games, no chance to build a list and no stars and who is honest enough to face reality. At the very least give him the 3 seasons its going to take to rebuild the list


Robert Walls has a track record, David Parkin has a great track record. Hell, even Tommy Hafey has a better track record. The difference is they knew when they were past it.
Our problem is the bloke with a room size mural of himself in his lounge room cant bring himself to extract himself from the spotlight.

Like Isaid elsewhere, not only did McGuire get rid of Malthouse, he talked us into taking him!
The ultimate Collingwood revenge. He must go to bed every night pissing himself laughing. Lets hope this is our boards final blunder.


Stick to what you're good at BV, dealing with facts and a rational argument AND then censuring those who don't. Your last post was drivel (IMMHO)


Yes, playing the man usually tells me you've got nothing. :wink:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:00 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Ratten built a side that could play some excellent football and some absolute shite football. Enough excellent football to get us to three consecutive top 8 finishes though.

We haven't played any, not any at all, excellent football this year. We've played some okay football, just okay, and a lot of shite. Nothing at all to happy about.

2013 has been woeful, and it's entirely due to Malthouse's approach. He hasn't lost any stars, has had the opportunity to play Menzel as well, and has failed this year.


True, verbs....... :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:01 pm 
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Navy Blue Horse wrote:
Bootsma was good today. Kicks a lovely torp too.


agree NBH. He did a lot of good spoiling on the last line, and it was a good spiral. He and Watto are two things we can take into next year. Along with Menzel, Graham, and hopefully SOJ, they are nearly the only things we've got to look forward to at this stage.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:02 pm 
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Carlton- the lost years- Hosted by Mike Sheehan coming to Fox Footy. 14 part mini-series. The tank water is polluted. The fish rots at the head and every other cliche you can think of. Admin need to take responsibilty for this fiasco.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:03 pm 
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For me, a BF'er has put it best
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You would think the 22 that took the field would be playing their skins out trying to make finals, busting a gut with the knowledge there may be a lot of delistings and trades at the end of the year and it won't be me type mentality. No apparently not, our prima donnas need someone to hold their hands, stroke their perfectly coiffed hair and whisper reassuring platitudes.

The fact that the playing group may have been on a downer because of a report on a football show says it all really - mentally weak, fragile and pathetic. Spoonful of cement and harden up please.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:04 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
For me, a BF'er has put it best
BLUES Crusade wrote:
You would think the 22 that took the field would be playing their skins out trying to make finals, busting a gut with the knowledge there may be a lot of delistings and trades at the end of the year and it won't be me type mentality. No apparently not, our prima donnas need someone to hold their hands, stroke their perfectly coiffed hair and whisper reassuring platitudes.

The fact that the playing group may have been on a downer because of a report on a football show says it all really - mentally weak, fragile and pathetic. Spoonful of cement and harden up please.



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:04 pm 
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I just despaired this year watching Gibbs and Yarran and others watching the opposition diving in to get the ball so they could maybe perhaps tackle them and get a free kick.....GRRRR.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:05 pm 
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hate listening to you all repeating yourselves.... :lol:

look just know it will take us 3 to 5 years to fix this...

mm wont be here when were finally going to be taken seriously again....if we ever are

but our biggest probem is the president and the board.. as well as the culture of the cllub.

even a prez change wont fix this....

we have allowed to club to fall away for too long....

this circle of trust needs to be busted up and the club to find people who know what theyre doing

jeannie ' philanthropy is fun ' pratt and raffy.... or whatever that bokes name is..... should follow sticks.. as should every other board member... pronto!!!

these people have ruined a great club!!!

Rip down the corporate signs named after fatcats and return the club to the supporters....

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They have turned it into a whorehouse!!! :roll:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:06 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
For me, a BF'er has put it best
BLUES Crusade wrote:
You would think the 22 that took the field would be playing their skins out trying to make finals, busting a gut with the knowledge there may be a lot of delistings and trades at the end of the year and it won't be me type mentality. No apparently not, our prima donnas need someone to hold their hands, stroke their perfectly coiffed hair and whisper reassuring platitudes.


Nah, thats a frustrated supporter venting. It offers nothing factual to the debate.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 9:08 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Are all the sakc ratts people suddenly realizing he wasn't the only problem?
Many here didn't want MM.
He is a professional coach from another era when shouting at players and sticking rigidly to plan A was acceptable.
The new, young coaches have new, young ideas and game plans and they have passed the MM game plan by years ago.

Ratts may have been lacking in a lot of ways but at least he loved this club and it hurt his heart when he lost. It just hurts MM's ego.

We are officially crap and MM will not take us anywhere. He will rebuild the team into a 1980's-style dream team that will finish bottom half of the eight. Luckily he only has two years left.

2-3 years ago is another era?

Ratten built this shit... Malthouse has to fix it

I'll judge MM on next years performance


2-3 years ago was the end of an era, not the start of one.
Look at Collingwood now. Their style of play is OK but they can't cut it against the good running sides. They are still playing MM's game, albeit tweaked a bit. The young players MM had are now mid twenties and yet they can't win games like they used to. It isn't them, it's the plan. Kicking to a 50-50 doesn't work any more. It's now a possession and running game. Good teams change from one to the other when it suits during the game or as a set play.
We couldn't do that to save our lives because we are being told to play a 20 year old game plan.
Someone else wrote it. MM has changed us from fast, exciting and unpredictable to predictable and unexciting. We still ahven't won more games as a result.

Betts/Garlett/Yarran set the world on fire when they burst onto the scene. Now they have to do this and that and they can't get a kick. Why? because we used to be a team that ran and created space. MM doesn't like space. He wants close in, contested footy with no turnovers in the corridor. By closing down the game, he has closed down running players like those above and Murphy. And Walker. Now they have to get it and kick to a player free on the boundary or to a contest on the boundary in case we turn it over, Problem is (and we saw it again tonight) as soon as we do turn it over, it goes straight out to a running player and ends up in the only space we never occupy, the corridor and results in s F50 enrtry. Even FREO a team that averages about 80 points a game, managed to kick about 120 against us by running the footy.
Rattan took this shit to a semi and we lost it by 3 points. In 2012 we had the worst run of injuries I can remember. Then MM becomes a free agent and we just HAD to have him.
Well we've got him now.
I hope he works out but I'm not happier or more confident than I was this time last year.

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