Let me get this right. You supported a coach who got us no where with over 100 games, high draft picks, the best player in the league and for a fair time a coleman medalist. And you won't support a coach who has a track record, 20 games, no chance to build a list and no stars and who is honest enough to face reality. At the very least give him the 3 seasons its going to take to rebuild the list

Tonight was an ironic result for mine. This is mainly because when I think of our climb off the bottom post-2007, my highlight game was actually the one in 2008 against the Dogs.

Yep... that's right. The absolute apex of our post wooden spoon period in my mind was the 2008 game against the Dogs at Etihad where we were nearly thirty points down and beat them by nearly thirty points. The one where Fev turned to Lake (I think?) and told him he was lucky because the Fev show was about to start and Lake had the best seat in the house. We were young, we were full of promise, we were fit, and we ran all over them. Gibbs looked like he'd be a Brownlow medallist, Judd was in his prime, Kreuzer was deadly in front of goal and influencing games.

For mine, it has been downhill ever since. We were frail against the Lions in that first final and then against the Swans in the second. Yes we beat the drug cheats (possibly before they were drug cheats ) but even then when you watch the first fifteen minutes you'll see a mentally suspect team doing their best to lose it.

That's why tonight is ironic for me. If 2008 v the Bulldogs signaled hope and the promise of a flag, 2013 versus the Bulldogs was where it was snuffed out once and for all. Kreuzer didn't play but his knee has cruelled him, Murphy is currently almost a hologram of a footballer, Gibbs has never gone anywhere, Judd's body means his best is behind him, and the best seats for the Fev show are in the Vanuatu Casino.

A deep breath and time to move on from this list. Let's hope that at some time in 2014 we do something radical like get a Rising Star nominee (who was our last one?). Or in the offseason we actually do what other clubs do and embrace the draft. Or maybe scour other club's lists for that nugget of gold that no one else can see rather than get stooged with someone else's rubbish.

May the force be with us.

And the sad thing is, MM probably has no idea how us supporters and members feel about our performances this year as he simply would not feel anything towards this club.

He will turn this team around, it will happen. He knows what he's doing, it's his job. But just don't expect him to feel what we are feeling at this moment.

We are just another place of employment for him.

Let me get this right. You supported a coach who got us no where with over 100 games, high draft picks, the best player in the league and for a fair time a coleman medalist. And you won't support a coach who has a track record, 20 games, no chance to build a list and no stars and who is honest enough to face reality. At the very least give him the 3 seasons its going to take to rebuild the list

One thing is sure, when the pressure is on for someone to take responsibility, million dollar Mick won't be putting his hand out. And don't tell me it takes years to learn a game plan. How long did the Dockers take to learn Ross Lyon's and get to the second week of the finals, how long has it taken Ken Hinkley to drive basket case Port right by us. I feel sorry for Marc Murphy, he is not a natural captain. Surely Carrazzo for a few years while we develop or identify natural leadership. Again, Carlton deciding the best player should be captain. You can't imagine us ever appointing Maxwell or Harley as captain. And if Mick needs a year or so to 'understand' his players, why did we appoint him? Surely of you are making a $1m appointment you expect the appointee to hit the ground running. You expect him to have done loads of homework before he even applies for the job and gets interviewed.....except we don't do interviews at Carlton we just get Swanny to ring up one of his old mates who is short of a job. If there is no action at committee level at season's end then we really are doomed. It means we don't have any supporters who would be capable of improving the club at board level, who are interested enough to go for it.

And what did Laidler and Duigan do? Did they tell MIck they liked Nathan Buckley? Neither are stars but I can't believe that they wouldn't be better than some of the guys running around, at least they have some leadership. And Yarran will get bagged, maybe he deserves it. But you pay coaches lots of money to get the best out of all their players. It seems certain that Mick can't do that with Yarran (even tho Ratts could and I was anti Ratts) and we will trade Yarran - close to our most talented player in a side that lacks talent. Here we are on the Carlton merry-go-round, repeating all the same mistakes over and over.

Dear Carlton

GET STUFFED.

If anyone says we lost today due to injuries, I'll SPEW UP.
You did nothing for the 1st quarter and a half..before the injuries.
You can take your post match party, and shove it up your ar$e.
I hope no one turned up.

As for you Malthouse
The players do not appear to be playing for you. Far from it. They are lacklustre, lacking pride and passion. They are nowhere.

Gibbs, who I thought you might turn into a superstar, is playing exactly where he was under Ratts. Walker used to shine. Now he's a workhorse.
Really, all you've done is swap Hendo for Walks. You could swap them back for about the same result. Big frikkin deal.
I'm ashamed of the team. They give us nothing. We give them everything.

You know you are in trouble when the supporters all try harder than the team.

I have no right to Complain... I have kept my money in my pocket this year and refused to re-new my membership despite the numerous attempts and begging by the club via E-mails/Letters and phone calls to Sign up.

I was extremely angry at last year's draft and list changes. The fact that we stayed away. We were not interested in trading hard and making serious changes to our list. When I questioned the club at the way they went about the draft last year, their response was " We didn't need to do anything. We have a strong list that is going to take us to a top 4 spot this year".

This was coming from the recruiting Manager at Carlton. Are you friggin Serious? what a Joke....


Its not the end of the World- One year behind but never too late. Start all over again. Clean up the damn list. Get rid of no less than 12 players. Get some established players and young talents.

Are all the sakc ratts people suddenly realizing he wasn't the only problem?
Many here didn't want MM.
He is a professional coach from another era when shouting at players and sticking rigidly to plan A was acceptable.
The new, young coaches have new, young ideas and game plans and they have passed the MM game plan by years ago.

Ratts may have been lacking in a lot of ways but at least he loved this club and it hurt his heart when he lost. It just hurts MM's ego.

We are officially crap and MM will not take us anywhere. He will rebuild the team into a 1980's-style dream team that will finish bottom half of the eight. Luckily he only has two years left.

Tell me who we should have traded or delisted. But before you list them, make sure they're players that either had currency or weren't contracted. List mgt was a shambles pre MM.

What are you on about? We sit on our arses watching and bitching. Don't flatter yourself.

Were we expecting too much from MM?.....going by Ross Lyon and Brendan Macartney and Ken Hinkley and Damien Hardwick................no we weren't....and I'm shattered.

As a Carlton supporter; I now feel gullible and a fool to expect more from MM than Ratts.

I expected REAL professionalism in our gameplan from a Premiership Coach....and I didn't expect it straight away at season start but......here we are at virtual season end....and we're also rans like last year......and our good players are even older; and our young kids are........?????