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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:30 pm 
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlto ... 6694462197

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Clearly, the club didn't replace Ratten with Malthouse only to watch Port Adelaide, Richmond and Essendon* fly past them.


hmmm

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:49 pm 
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Soft, dumb, slack footballers?

I'm sure Sydney had similar come into their system. Mitch Morton meets most of those criteria yet he's now a premiership player.
Unfortunately the system doesnt allow you to throw talented players out the door and restock them with more talented players. Chris Yarran was viewed as a lazy footballer before we drafted him. In his favour, he was viewed by those in the know as the most talented footballer to attend the Clontarf academy. A huge rap considering the players that have walked through their doors.

What are we doing to instil urgency into him? What have we done to progress him as a footballer? We're talking about a 22 year old kid who finished top 10 in our B&F as a 20 year old. Not a bad achievement in a team that performed in the finals.
Instead of talking about throwing half our list onto the scrap heap, perhaps our coaches should take some responsibility and actually develop what we have into good footballers. The coaches role is to oversee a strong, successful development program. We're not paying Mick a million dollars to throw our talented players because its too hard for him. Lets see him actually get something out of them.



Just to logical.

Who needs to work for their money, especially ifyou can shift blame.


Let's start
Walker hardly blossomed under the previous regime (injuries didn't help)
Russell didn't
Gibbs didn't
Lucas didn't
Mclean didn't
Bower didnt
Austin didn't
Hampson didn't
Grigg didn't

What does that mean? It means no matter how great a coach's reputation is, they are not miracle workers. Ratten's list above could've contained a few more names

Yarran had issues from his academy days. He had one reasonable season and we're all sooking because MM won't play him off HB or can't get the best out of him. Every coach will have players they can't get through to...both the amateur coaches like BR all the way to a Paul Roos/Matthews.

No one has ever said that MM is a deity, no one said he's a miracle worker. He has come to the CFC with an impressive record. No guarantees about the future, so to all you anti MM, stop hiding behind the million dollar/super duper drape as your cover when you throw pot shots at him.

If Alfred E Neuman gets 5 years, I'm happy to give MM at least two seasons.

And as far as Yarran is concerned, flower him. Whilst MM is coach, play whatever role you're given to the best of your ability, and with privilege and pride wearing the best strip in the AFL. Otherwise flower off to WC

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:01 pm 
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We are the failure Blues - David King explores what's wrong with Carlton http://t.co/n8yy1z2giO #AFLBluesDogs


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:25 pm 
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Some minor errors from King, but a damning article nonetheless.

Good to see the blowtorch being applied.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:26 pm 
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:28 pm 
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlto ... 6694482220

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:41 pm 
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It shits me when the media say 'the perception was' or talk about 'expectations' as if everyone had the same opinion of Carlton coming into 2013.

We're about exactly where I thought we'd be before the season started. Quite a few of us felt there was a mini-rebuild on the horizon. Doesn't mean I like it, in fact I hate it, but I did most of my weeping & gnashing of teeth over the previous 2-3 years. In a way, I'm almost relieved now because the illusion that we're top 4 team waiting to happen is gone and we can start to address the problems honestly. I think that's the job MM has ahead of him.

I reckon 99prelim's post is pretty much spot on.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 8:53 pm 
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http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-is-failing-under-mick-malthouse-writes-david-king/story-fndv8f7j-1226694482220

here ya go..non paywall.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:08 pm 
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bluegirl72 wrote:


what a load of shit

if he had any balls it should've been Carlton is failing under Kernahan


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:16 pm 
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if he had any balls it should've been Carlton is failing under Kernahan


nah...if he had any balls he'd say trade Image


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:41 pm 
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if he had any balls it should've been Carlton is failing under Kernahan


nah...if he had any balls he'd say trade Image


Can't see the point in trading Gibbs.

Keep the players we know can play a role consistently and new players that need time.

Gibbs is a fantastic backman. No point trading one of them unless he wants too much money and we feel we can get a better player on less in the trade.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 10:50 am 
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Buckley needs to be played in the back pocket against small fast forwards. They have cut us up on a consistent level because we lack a tenacious, fast player. Buckley is the type and will benefit greatly with the experience until he is moved to a more attacking role.


I actually like this idea too. Always worth trying players in other roles, before we discard them. And his pace and kicking skills coming out of defense could be a real weapon.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 11:32 am 
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I think not as bad as itseems.Step 1 is to change our game plan ( run both ways) .Step 2 massive increase in preseason training .Step 3 recruiting personnel that going to improve our list. Once again with luck regarding injuries we should improve.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:41 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
redback wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Soft, dumb, slack footballers?

I'm sure Sydney had similar come into their system. Mitch Morton meets most of those criteria yet he's now a premiership player.
Unfortunately the system doesnt allow you to throw talented players out the door and restock them with more talented players. Chris Yarran was viewed as a lazy footballer before we drafted him. In his favour, he was viewed by those in the know as the most talented footballer to attend the Clontarf academy. A huge rap considering the players that have walked through their doors.

What are we doing to instil urgency into him? What have we done to progress him as a footballer? We're talking about a 22 year old kid who finished top 10 in our B&F as a 20 year old. Not a bad achievement in a team that performed in the finals.
Instead of talking about throwing half our list onto the scrap heap, perhaps our coaches should take some responsibility and actually develop what we have into good footballers. The coaches role is to oversee a strong, successful development program. We're not paying Mick a million dollars to throw our talented players because its too hard for him. Lets see him actually get something out of them.



Just to logical.

Who needs to work for their money, especially ifyou can shift blame.


Let's start
Walker hardly blossomed under the previous regime (injuries didn't help)
Russell didn't
Gibbs didn't
Lucas didn't
Mclean didn't
Bower didnt
Austin didn't
Hampson didn't
Grigg didn't

What does that mean? It means no matter how great a coach's reputation is, they are not miracle workers. Ratten's list above could've contained a few more names

Yarran had issues from his academy days. He had one reasonable season and we're all sooking because MM won't play him off HB or can't get the best out of him. Every coach will have players they can't get through to...both the amateur coaches like BR all the way to a Paul Roos/Matthews.

No one has ever said that MM is a deity, no one said he's a miracle worker. He has come to the CFC with an impressive record. No guarantees about the future, so to all you anti MM, stop hiding behind the million dollar/super duper drape as your cover when you throw pot shots at him.

If Alfred E Neuman gets 5 years, I'm happy to give MM at least two seasons.

And as far as Yarran is concerned, flower him. Whilst MM is coach, play whatever role you're given to the best of your ability, and with privilege and pride wearing the best strip in the AFL. Otherwise flower off to WC



Most of the names have had extended lay offs with injury and never recovered.

apart from that have played decent footy at some stage so your point is mute if your really think you're going somewhere.

The point is stop blaming your tools and apply your trade.


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This why to me Thomas is important. He will raise the bar of what's expected on the training track, what it takes to go from potential to gut running all-Australian.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 6:17 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
This why to me Thomas is important. He will raise the bar of what's expected on the training track, what it takes to go from potential to gut running all-Australian.



KK I'm sorry but if the coaching staff can't get that out of the players (especially the senior players) then it's either all the players go or the coaching staff isn't up to scratch and they go.

The sad thing is we just had a change over of the coaching staff and they haven't taken the ascendency.

Whether we have faith in the coaching staff or not what I see is we are really in a pathetic state from this moment on.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:15 pm 
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redback wrote:
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This why to me Thomas is important. He will raise the bar of what's expected on the training track, what it takes to go from potential to gut running all-Australian.



KK I'm sorry but if the coaching staff can't get that out of the players (especially the senior players) then it's either all the players go or the coaching staff isn't up to scratch and they go.

The sad thing is we just had a change over of the coaching staff and they haven't taken the ascendency.

Whether we have faith in the coaching staff or not what I see is we are really in a pathetic state from this moment on.



He is not the answer......same old Carlton approach......we have to be good enough to develop our own


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:21 pm 
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london blue wrote:
redback wrote:
King Kenny wrote:
This why to me Thomas is important. He will raise the bar of what's expected on the training track, what it takes to go from potential to gut running all-Australian.



KK I'm sorry but if the coaching staff can't get that out of the players (especially the senior players) then it's either all the players go or the coaching staff isn't up to scratch and they go.

The sad thing is we just had a change over of the coaching staff and they haven't taken the ascendency.

Whether we have faith in the coaching staff or not what I see is we are really in a pathetic state from this moment on.



He is not the answer......same old Carlton approach......we have to be good enough to develop our own


He is free, how is it the same?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 7:32 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
This why to me Thomas is important. He will raise the bar of what's expected on the training track, what it takes to go from potential to gut running all-Australian.

You mean like Judd was meant to?


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