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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:45 pm 
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I think there's nothing in it.

He's part of an inner sanctum....he pays for the privelege....how does that hurt?

He doesn't tell the coach what to do...he listens and I know I'd love to know the tactics and strategy before watching a game to see if the players are following instructions....let alone if I agree with those instructions.

Lucky bastrad...I wish it was me.

its shithouse!!!!

the club is owned by oligarchs

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:54 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
the club is owned by oligarchs


Might as well go by the trading name of Pratt-Mathieson-Edelsten & Partners

Sounds like a really shady law firm.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:57 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Synbad wrote:
the club is owned by oligarchs


Might as well go by the trading name of Pratt-Mathieson-Edelsten & Partners

Sounds like a really shady law firm.


I still give all my work to Lofts, Gallagher, Harris & Partners. Those guys are good.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:59 pm 
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it's their Carlton and nobody else's


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:05 pm 
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JohnM wrote:
I still give all my work to Lofts, Gallagher, Harris & Partners. Those guys are good.


I'll look into that. Haven't been all that happy with the performance of Lang, Fraser, Gillespie & Partners for some time.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 6:46 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
just found our new president -UNBELIEVABLE :hitcomputer:

Nah, Fix it Sticks will reluctantly hang around but Brin could be added to the Board.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:52 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
JohnM wrote:
I still give all my work to Lofts, Gallagher, Harris & Partners. Those guys are good.


I'll look into that. Haven't been all that happy with the performance of Lang, Fraser, Gillespie & Partners for some time.


LOL the original "Shoeless Joe Jacksons"


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:49 am 
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bondiblue wrote:
I think there's nothing in it.

He's part of an inner sanctum....he pays for the privelege....how does that hurt?

He doesn't tell the coach what to do...he listens and I know I'd love to know the tactics and strategy before watching a game to see if the players are following instructions....let alone if I agree with those instructions.

Lucky bastrad...I wish it was me.

ok, been looking into this a bit more, but Doc et al can correct me if I'm wrong...........I've been told that it's not Edlestein on his own but a group of about 20 that have paid for the privelage, MM pops down and speaks for a very brief moment - so may not be as bad as it sounds???

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 12:21 pm 
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may not be Kerna but still dumb to have Edelstein as centrepiece of article given his history the grandstanding nature of he and his wife which irritates the vast majority of the population ,we have along with the drug investigations a report from ACC delving into crim elements on the edge of football clubs and the AFL having real concerns about it

In the hard copy paper you have a big picture of sticks and Edelstein together as if they are the best of mates and then a fawning line from sticks about Edelstein

Dumb on so many levels surely there was another worthwhile benefactor of that 20 worthy of the story and given I suspect none of the others wanted to there is your answer
This is not good publicity this is Neanderthals back in the dark ages of the 80s - big jack slapping the back of his mates -running a personal fiefdom -in 2013 the brand cant be about this monied coterie and this is ONE of the reasons we are ninth we are back in the dark ages - the power clubs are light years ahead and getting further ahead


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 5:34 pm 
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Its not the Alex Jesaulenko or Craig Bradley pool
Its not the Bruce Doull or Wayne Johnston Cafe

Its the Dr Geoffrey Edelstein pool
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its the Dr Geoffrey Edelstein Cafe

Club is pathetic.... a conga line of suckholes!!!

and thats why were shit!!!.. and dont feel like a real cllub

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:18 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/carlton-coach-mick-malthouse-talks-tactics-with-blues-benefactor-geoffrey-edelsten/story-fndv8f7j-12266928587

!@#$%& hell... :banghead: :screwy: :roll:

Amateur hour. An NFL owner - e.g Robert Kraft or Woody Johnson wouldn't do this. AND THEY OWN THE !@#$%& TEAM!

It's embarrassing. This is a little different to Robert Menzies being driven up a purpose-built ramp to watch the footy - this is now 2013. I don't care how much money he gives the club. This is an element of the culture that needs to change at this place.

What if Ruffy Geminder and Craig Mathieson (only on the board because of benefactor relatives) read this and say 'Hey...I want Mick to tell me too! And I want to sit in the coaches box! And I want them to give me a presentation before draft day on the kids they're keen on!'...it's beyond a !@#$%& joke. Is Edelston Veruca Salt?

Look Geoffrey...appreciate the support. But please leave the coach alone pre-match and !@#$%& off out of the coaches box. Do you honestly think they enjoy doing it?


Don't worry about it Doc.

Sticks says the Club is going all ok....


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:15 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Don't worry about it Doc.

Sticks says the Club is going all ok....


Things always look good from inside a bubble.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 4:34 am 
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Get his wife to come on board. She has a big future in front of her


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:04 pm 
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I'm not much of David Koch the TV personality, but he just summarized in about 5 minutes what it takes to run a club properly and to set it up for the future.

Didn't really sound much like our club.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:21 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
I'm not much of David Koch the TV personality, but he just summarized in about 5 minutes what it takes to run a club properly and to set it up for the future.

Didn't really sound much like our club.


Heard him, too. Agree. We are a club run and supported by a few wealthy benefactors with their individual interests as their motives for being on the board and Sticks being their puppet and front person.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 12:49 pm 
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Heard Kochie too. He stated that they set guidelines. The board was there for financial governance and transparency. They weren't cheerleaders, they were there to run a business. No board member in the rooms before games. No board member in the change rooms until 10 minutes after the final siren.

And they certainly wouldn't allow rich pricks like Geoffrey Edelsten in the coaches box.

The President instills a culture around the club. And it should flow down through the staff. We're stuck in some unfortunate time-warp with Sticks in charge. Pity. I admired the footballer so much. But it just doesn't feel like Carlton anymore.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 1:02 pm 
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DocSherrin wrote:
Heard Kochie too. He stated that they set guidelines. The board was there for financial governance and transparency. They weren't cheerleaders, they were there to run a business. No board member in the rooms before games. No board member in the change rooms until 10 minutes after the final siren.

And they certainly wouldn't allow rich pricks like Geoffrey Edelsten in the coaches box.

The President instills a culture around the club. And it should flow down through the staff. We're stuck in some unfortunate time-warp with Sticks in charge. Pity. I admired the footballer so much. But it just doesn't feel like Carlton anymore.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:01 pm 
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I don't like this club as it now is, but so many years of emotional bonding means I can't walk away. It's a bit shit really.

Oligarchs, pokies benefactors, the wealthy offspring of successful people effectively buying a seat on the board, a dangerous lack of understanding of modern business practices, making panicked decision after panicked decision on our coaching, and no sign that the organisation thinks there's a problem. Good old Sticks can have another year after this one. The most important role at the club and we treat it like an honorarium for past champions. Pathetic.

Today I heard both Koch and Cook speak and I nearly wept. It actually shouldn't be that hard to get it right, but we just seem incapable.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 2:05 pm 
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Anyone hear Cookie. Thought he described exactly why Ratten failed.
Basically when picking chris scott; they started with type of coach they wanted. And for them most important was ability to manage (50% weighting) as the role included 12 direct reports and leading 120 staff. Ability to technically coach came third in their assessment. Reading between lines, cultural fit came second.

Ratten ok with 2 and 3; but not good enough with most important.
MM 1 is covered. 2 is no, but thats good thing. 3 competent.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 3:15 pm 
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Dominator7 wrote:
Anyone hear Cookie. Thought he described exactly why Ratten failed.
Basically when picking chris scott; they started with type of coach they wanted. And for them most important was ability to manage (50% weighting) as the role included 12 direct reports and leading 120 staff. Ability to technically coach came third in their assessment. Reading between lines, cultural fit came second.

Ratten ok with 2 and 3; but not good enough with most important.
MM 1 is covered. 2 is no, but thats good thing. 3 competent.


Yep,Brian Cook.He was our first choice CEO wasnt he ? big mistake not getting him.I would still try to get him.And if that proved impossible i would scour the land to find a new up and coming potential Brian Cook.Not Brian Cook,but the NEXT Brian Cook.Its not so much as who is the best,but who is the young up and comer who is gonna go on and become the best.

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