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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:44 am 
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Jack Donaghy wrote:
Blue Revival wrote:
bax wrote:
Mick's such a wonderful coach, has made our better players go backwards, plays duds week in week out and doesn't reward those playing well in the 2's with a game.

Watson?



im kind of with BR on this, have been keeping as close a watch on the 2's as I can, and reading reports.

I'm STUNNED with the complete lack of reward Ive seen by MM not even contemplating certain players who are excelling in the 2's - and Im talking consistent form too!

Im not the biggest duigan fan in the world but hes been consistently in our top 3 or 4 in the 2's for much of the year - playing completely out of position too - from memory he had 13 or 14 marks as an onballer last week, he's played as an influential fwd, all sorts of roles, and played commendably in many games - and hasnt even been named as an EMERGENCY for months.

LAIDLER - well I just dont know what to say about Laids................ Last year I wouldve had him in our top 3 or 4 non on-ball players, this year who would know.
ive definitely read his name in the bests several times earlier in the year (about when MM was playing Bootsmas and McKinneses and CAchias and Curnows etc....)

LEVI was showing some great progress recently, really great, just around the time Waiter went to chalk again, then next minute he gets dropped, Rowe gets in, we beat St Kilda (SO not convincingly) Rowe does quite well (against substandard defence) keeps his spot but then is literally worst on ground Vs Nth and then again Vs Suns (clearly worst on ground) - in the meantime the 2's have a cracking win and Levi is a major factor in the win. But he keeps Rowe in - who was expectedly shit again tonight............

- Why hasnt Kruze been used on the fwd line with Hendo as a two prong tall fwd line with the 3 amigos rotating as crumbers? And bring Warnock (or Hampson) in to do the ruck work. Warnock is looking crappy but he has 2 clear upsides - he gets 94 taps a game and can kick 70 metres consistently and is 7 ft 4 tall, but like most rucks needs to be played and played played played in the 1's til one day it just clicks and all of a sudden we've got a Minson or Jolly or Bellchambers or Maric, who were all CRAP last year or year before but PERSISTANCE at the highest level eventually paid off.

- Hampson showed some glimpses early in the year that were scary good promising (particularly when played at CHF or FF) sure he was dropping a few clunkers but they looked like nervous, inexperienced mistakes rather than inadequacies in his ability. continuing with himin the 1's would eventually eradicate the pressure and self-expectation that was forcing these errors.

- THE DISCIPLINARY ACTIONS OF DROPPING & MAKING SUB BETTS/YARRAN - lets see how well that worked out? go watch the replay from tonight, and last week, - THEY WERE USELESS!!!!!!! worst since ive seen them at CFC, yet hold on, werent they just disciplined and had to earn their spots back just weeks ago?????????
um, YES!!!!! well hows that working out for us? or them should I say? - TERRIBLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its 2013 MM, kids dont get the cane at school anymore for wagging, they get modern day relevant punishments designed so they dont repeat those errors in judgement. tailored solutions. seems youre using 1950's generics!

- anyway flower this......im FUUUUUURIous after tonight...............unless we win every game from here on in Ill be petitioning to have a re-assesment of MM's appointment to be done over the off season - and the players MUST be very much involved, and their feedback is vital.
im very scared there's a generation gap (or two) that Sticks & Co didnt factor in as being a hurdle to modern day premierships.

I mean all u have to do is look at Clarkson, Scott, Hird, Thompson, Voss, McKenna, Worsfold - firstly theyre all at least 30 years younger than MM, which means theyre much closer to the mentality and and have played a much more similar variety of football in their careers than old drop-kick it in the mud in between torpedoes and punch ons and the stagnancy of yesteryears game.
its not rocket science (although ironically it also kind of is) but dont get a super renowned rocket scientist who worked brilliantly on the Apollo in the early 70's to work on the space labs of 2015 because although it' still essentially the same job and same game - its also NOTHING LIKE IT!!!!!!!!!

im sick of the words 'rebuild' and 'list potential' etc........... FFS in 2011 and for most part of 2012 the bombers were so average and their players looked accordingly so - they looked run of the mill at best - then 12 months later theyre sitting pretty in 2nd position.

WCE list and position and momentum had many experts (incl. me) putting them in the top 4 this year, if not top 2 - well look at them now!

Swans team on paper last year did not look like a premiership side and actually still doesnt when you look at it again.......................

Again this year, theyre not, but by gosh will they go close. Pretty sure longmire was put in place half expected to orchestrate some form of re-build at Sydney after Roos left - he won the flag straight away.

im so freaking lost at the moment when it comes to Carlton.............
I dont know if we're going to come last next year, or maybe win flag?

Honestly wouldnt have a clue?

I cant see us getting better by cleaning out 6-7-8 or 9 players - the replacement stocks are pretty much in the hands of the newcomers already.
and who's MM ever recycled whos gone on to become a 6-7 year star? its not his way, clarkson did it quite well, he even managed to get a flag by just a little rejigging, and having had the bloke for a P.E teacher for 4 years I know he's as deep thinking and strategic as circus monkey, but Ill give him one thing - he understands MODERN football, and has a rapport with YOUNGER players that MM may have had once in 1923.

what er we going to do???????????


Dugian hopeless and suspended

Laidler injured

Kruz hopeless fwd

Hampson injured

Cazbolt instead of roewe agree

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 8:47 am 
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Guys we can carry on all we like but most top teams have a number of A grads mids

Swans have about 5, we have zero.

In 2011 we had a gun Judd and Murphy , Gibbs flying plus carazzo and Scotland all much better players

We can't win with our current midfield


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:02 am 
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Lost to a better team, thought we tried our hearts out until the last when we were knackered (Yarran exception) game plan didn't help at all, but gee they were strong, reminded me of the cheats actually.
Use of betts was poor, thought Gibbs was outstanding in his role but the dice had to be rolled and move him into an attacking role.

Bring on next week and the other challenges.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:07 am 
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diesel_85 wrote:
Just quickly, for all those people I keep hearing say why won't Mick play menzel and Graham. IMO it's because he is using this season to sift through the list and see who he wants for the future and who to throw away. Menzel and Graham are locks. He knows they are possible 10 year footballers. From what I can see I believe Mick has put the heat to on Yaz to see if he responds, unfortunately he is a snowflake.

Tonight was disappointing but in all honesty thats just where we're at



Totally agree with this. MM has been around a long time and knows what's required to make us into a successful team. As we know his hands were tired when it came to trade time last year. So he is putting the blow torch on those players who have been on the list a few years now, to see if they have the skills and decision making ability that will stand up against the best teams, like last night, but sadly for us the reality is we have to many that just are not up to it. Players like Menzel, Graham, Buckley will get their chance, let them work on their skills and decision making in the 2's for a year, so they are ready to go, when we get rid of the list cloggers.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:07 am 
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Judd is hopeless
Murphy is timid
Carrazzo is hopeless
New rules have rendered Robbo useless
Brock is slow and has a pop gun kick.
After that who have we go to shape up against the better cliubs midfields???

Keep in mind the midfield is old or getting old!


However we have no worries about half back flankers... even if we delist 6 this year... ontop of a few from last year .... no worries...!!!

Now THAT is what i call recruitment and list management...

So next year....
Carrazzo 30
Simpson 30
Judd 30/31
Scotland 34
McLean 28/29

Baasically we need 4 just to replace these guys.... forget about adding to them...

Scary isnt it?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:13 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Judd is hopeless
Murphy is timid
Carrazzo is hopeless
New rules have rendered Robbo useless
Brock is slow and has a pop gun kick.
After that who have we go to shape up against the better cliubs midfields???

Keep in mind the midfield is old or getting old!


However we have no worries about half back flankers... even if we delist 6 this year... ontop of a few from last year .... no worries...!!!

Now THAT is what i call recruitment and list management...

So next year....
Carrazzo 30
Simpson 30
Judd 30/31
Scotland 34
McLean 28/29

Baasically we need 4 just to replace these guys.... forget about adding to them...

Scary isnt it?


Agree. But you forgot Mick Malthouse old and hopeless.

How we went into this season with this list I will never know. Still we might make the finals "if the stars align".


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:18 am 
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kingkerna wrote:
Lost to a better team, thought we tried our hearts out until the last when we were knackered (Yarran exception) game plan didn't help at all, but gee they were strong, reminded me of the cheats actually.
Use of betts was poor, thought Gibbs was outstanding in his role but the dice had to be rolled and move him into an attacking role.

Bring on next week and the other challenges.

Use of betts poor?
he tried everything fwd pocket half fwd and on the ball what more could mm do


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:19 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Judd is hopeless
Murphy is timid
Carrazzo is hopeless
New rules have rendered Robbo useless
Brock is slow and has a pop gun kick.
After that who have we go to shape up against the better cliubs midfields???

Keep in mind the midfield is old or getting old!


However we have no worries about half back flankers... even if we delist 6 this year... ontop of a few from last year .... no worries...!!!

Now THAT is what i call recruitment and list management...

So next year....
Carrazzo 30
Simpson 30
Judd 30/31
Scotland 34
McLean 28/29

Baasically we need 4 just to replace these guys.... forget about adding to them...

Scary isnt it?

Need daisy Thomas assp


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:19 am 
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Why do people want Levi in ? We never win when he plays. He is a liability and needs to take 10 marks and kick 3 just to break even and make up for the fact he wont be sighted in the second half and will be walked around by opposition.

I am not saying Rowe is any good but at least we win games when he plays and at least he can kick a drop punt.

Perhaps Watson is the answer as a second forward. He surprised last night.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:21 am 
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club29 wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Judd is hopeless
Murphy is timid
Carrazzo is hopeless
New rules have rendered Robbo useless
Brock is slow and has a pop gun kick.
After that who have we go to shape up against the better cliubs midfields???

Keep in mind the midfield is old or getting old!


However we have no worries about half back flankers... even if we delist 6 this year... ontop of a few from last year .... no worries...!!!

Now THAT is what i call recruitment and list management...

So next year....
Carrazzo 30
Simpson 30
Judd 30/31
Scotland 34
McLean 28/29

Baasically we need 4 just to replace these guys.... forget about adding to them...

Scary isnt it?


Agree. But you forgot Mick Malthouse old and hopeless.

How we went into this season with this list I will never know. Still we might make the finals "if the stars align".


U can thank ratten and McKay for the list mate


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:22 am 
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club29 wrote:
Why do people want Levi in ? We never win when he plays. He is a liability and needs to take 10 marks and kick 3 just to break even and make up for the fact he wont be sighted in the second half and will be walked around by opposition.

I am not saying Rowe is any good but at least we win games when he plays and at least he can kick a drop punt.

Perhaps Watson is the answer as a second forward. He surprised last night.

Cazbolt can get the ball roewe can't so atlesst lets pick someone who can get it


Roewe was playing on bloody dufield most of the night and couldn't take a grab

Watson agree


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:23 am 
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It's a further example of Cordys ineffective physical/mental conditioning program.

Freo, amongst other teams, are vastly stronger both mentally and physically.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:23 am 
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FACT: MM is going to cut the list deep. The only solution he publishes.
If we think we have no soul currently, wait until we start the cull/trade come years end.
I'm starting to lean with Synbad and start to demand a change at the top because we have no idea about a process of getting the right person(s) to run our coaching/development.

Warnock not playing and running Kruezer into the ground is a disgrace.
Our small forwards have lost their mojo completely.
Our midfield player setup and is embarrassing. Our main men hardly play there.
Selections ......
I'm upset today but for the 1st time not because of effort but because we did not give ourselves a chance to win this game within the coaches box.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:24 am 
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The biggest thing all this shows us all is how team management was in the wrong hands for so long.

Terrible list management and recruitment.

The game was changing and we were chasing the wrong players.

It only can mean one thing.

We didnt understand the changes in the games and its trending.

@#$%&! pathetic!!!

Its a waste of years!!!

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:27 am 
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George Harris wrote:
Dumb football! That's our game plan.

It took an Irishman to work it out and realize you break the press by kicking over it from 50.

What was with all the mangled short passes in the congested forward line when players could have had a shot instead?

Three amigos were useless with Yarran looking not that interested. They blanketed Henderson too and so no forward line.

Robinson has heaps of endeavor, but lacks the skill - time for a rest.

Murphy was non-existent, so where was someone to give Crowley a touch up? As for that other little flower Ballantyne, we were completely sucked in. And that's the ball game!



We have the weakest most selfish players in the league and probably the dumbest coach?
From the moment Murphy was crowned our captain I mentioned he would be targeted and from the first game he has been beaten from pillar to post.
Yes, he should grow a pair and !@#$%^7 defend himself (it’s bloody embarrassing) but his team mates have a responsibility to protect their leader.

This is the same in any other situation from a war to a government.

If they are lazy, stupid or incapable of fulfilling their duty of care then it’s up to the coach to enforce this policy.
This game has unfortunately re enforced my beliefs that Malthouse has made no inroads into this teams dysfunctional behaviour mental capability and there hasn’t been any improvement into creating a well rounded, tight and proud team ethos.

Not only has he has failed in structures, team selections and match day set ups but he has failed in the most basic area why he was brought into this football club, discipline.

If there is one area a new coach needs to improve a team to show his worth is discipline, hardness and hunger for the contest, well he has had nearly a year to do this and he hasn’t got anywhere near it.

You can harp about structures, lists and process as much as you like but this exercise has been a complete waste of money and time.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:27 am 
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Synbad wrote:
The biggest thing all this shows us all is how team management was in the wrong hands for so long.

Terrible list management and recruitment.

The game was changing and we were chasing the wrong players.

It only can mean one thing.

We didnt understand the changes in the games and its trending.

!@#$%& pathetic!!!

Its a waste of years!!!

Spot on


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:28 am 
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Synbad wrote:
The biggest thing all this shows us all is how team management was in the wrong hands for so long.

Terrible list management and recruitment.

The game was changing and we were chasing the wrong players.

It only can mean one thing.

We didnt understand the changes in the games and its trending.

!@#$%& pathetic!!!

Its a waste of years!!!


How much has Cordy co$t us with his totally ineffective mental/physical conditioning program. Massive failure.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:29 am 
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redback wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Dumb football! That's our game plan.

It took an Irishman to work it out and realize you break the press by kicking over it from 50.

What was with all the mangled short passes in the congested forward line when players could have had a shot instead?

Three amigos were useless with Yarran looking not that interested. They blanketed Henderson too and so no forward line.

Robinson has heaps of endeavor, but lacks the skill - time for a rest.

Murphy was non-existent, so where was someone to give Crowley a touch up? As for that other little flower Ballantyne, we were completely sucked in. And that's the ball game!



We have the weakest most selfish players in the league and probably the dumbest coach?
From the moment Murphy was crowned our captain I mentioned he would be targeted and from the first game he has been beaten from pillar to post.
Yes, he should grow a pair and !@#$%^7 defend himself (it’s bloody embarrassing) but his team mates have a responsibility to protect their leader.

This is the same in any other situation from a war to a government.

If they are lazy, stupid or incapable of fulfilling their duty of care then it’s up to the coach to enforce this policy.
This game has unfortunately re enforced my beliefs that Malthouse has made no inroads into this teams dysfunctional behaviour mental capability and there hasn’t been any improvement into creating a well rounded, tight and proud team ethos.

Not only has he has failed in structures, team selections and match day set ups but he has failed in the most basic area why he was brought into this football club, discipline.

If there is one area a new coach needs to improve a team to show his worth is discipline, hardness and hunger for the contest, well he has had nearly a year to do this and he hasn’t got anywhere near it.

You can harp about structures, lists and process as much as you like but this exercise has been a complete waste of money and time.

So who should be captain ?

Carazzo ! He shouldn't be in side

Dugian ?

Waite ?

Do tell


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:32 am 
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redback wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Dumb football! That's our game plan.

It took an Irishman to work it out and realize you break the press by kicking over it from 50.

What was with all the mangled short passes in the congested forward line when players could have had a shot instead?

Three amigos were useless with Yarran looking not that interested. They blanketed Henderson too and so no forward line.

Robinson has heaps of endeavor, but lacks the skill - time for a rest.

Murphy was non-existent, so where was someone to give Crowley a touch up? As for that other little flower Ballantyne, we were completely sucked in. And that's the ball game!



We have the weakest most selfish players in the league and probably the dumbest coach?
From the moment Murphy was crowned our captain I mentioned he would be targeted and from the first game he has been beaten from pillar to post.
Yes, he should grow a pair and !@#$%^7 defend himself (it’s bloody embarrassing) but his team mates have a responsibility to protect their leader.

This is the same in any other situation from a war to a government.

If they are lazy, stupid or incapable of fulfilling their duty of care then it’s up to the coach to enforce this policy.
This game has unfortunately re enforced my beliefs that Malthouse has made no inroads into this teams dysfunctional behaviour mental capability and there hasn’t been any improvement into creating a well rounded, tight and proud team ethos.

Not only has he has failed in structures, team selections and match day set ups but he has failed in the most basic area why he was brought into this football club, discipline.

If there is one area a new coach needs to improve a team to show his worth is discipline, hardness and hunger for the contest, well he has had nearly a year to do this and he hasn’t got anywhere near it.

You can harp about structures, lists and process as much as you like but this exercise has been a complete waste of money and time.



Culture is hard to come by and easy to lose

If u think mm can change that in one season you don't understand football or business

A good culture takes years to develop and sometimes takes a major clean out

To occur


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2013 9:34 am 
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Bigredisback wrote:
redback wrote:
George Harris wrote:
Dumb football! That's our game plan.

It took an Irishman to work it out and realize you break the press by kicking over it from 50.

What was with all the mangled short passes in the congested forward line when players could have had a shot instead?

Three amigos were useless with Yarran looking not that interested. They blanketed Henderson too and so no forward line.

Robinson has heaps of endeavor, but lacks the skill - time for a rest.

Murphy was non-existent, so where was someone to give Crowley a touch up? As for that other little flower Ballantyne, we were completely sucked in. And that's the ball game!



We have the weakest most selfish players in the league and probably the dumbest coach?
From the moment Murphy was crowned our captain I mentioned he would be targeted and from the first game he has been beaten from pillar to post.
Yes, he should grow a pair and !@#$%^7 defend himself (it’s bloody embarrassing) but his team mates have a responsibility to protect their leader.

This is the same in any other situation from a war to a government.

If they are lazy, stupid or incapable of fulfilling their duty of care then it’s up to the coach to enforce this policy.
This game has unfortunately re enforced my beliefs that Malthouse has made no inroads into this teams dysfunctional behaviour mental capability and there hasn’t been any improvement into creating a well rounded, tight and proud team ethos.

Not only has he has failed in structures, team selections and match day set ups but he has failed in the most basic area why he was brought into this football club, discipline.

If there is one area a new coach needs to improve a team to show his worth is discipline, hardness and hunger for the contest, well he has had nearly a year to do this and he hasn’t got anywhere near it.

You can harp about structures, lists and process as much as you like but this exercise has been a complete waste of money and time.

So who should be captain ?

Carazzo ! He shouldn't be in side

Dugian ?

Waite ?

Do tell

Simmo captain, Lachie vc. Easy

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