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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 10:07 am 
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Scotty12000 wrote:
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How about someone tag Gibbs for a change?


Has he ever been tagged?

Only on a couple of photos on the Ciccone Cosmetics Facebook page

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 11:27 am 
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Mark J wrote:
Cue Robert Walls article


Just for once, i'd like Robert Walls to write an article about how Carlton will fail when it's a big test for us, how our players are mentally weak etc etc. He doesn't have to believe it but i'd like him to write a scathing article about us!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 12:05 pm 
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"Go blues"we will win on Saturday but it will be a tough game it would be nice to see Casboult in for Rowe apart from that I would leave the team as is.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 1:22 pm 
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Given that Cachia has been sub past two games, I doubt he'll play this week, leaving an opening for one of Bell or Graham to play. Curnow and Carrots give us enough taggers anyway against this lot.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:23 pm 
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Being subbed and the starting sub, you'd guess Lucas and Cachia are the two most likely on the chopping block for this week. Lucas did take a big hit though and has been pretty solid the last 5-6 weeks.

Rowe wouldn't be entirely safe either.

Mick doesn't seem to like messing too much with his winning team, so I'd say we'd be lucky to see more than 1 or 2 changes.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 3:26 pm 
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..Rowe is starting to hit the wall, it's a long season and he's coming from a low base.. ..i reckon it's time to switch him with Levi.. ..if Lucas is ok, keep him in.. ..will need as much run and spread as we can get into the team..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:02 pm 
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Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..Rowe is starting to hit the wall, it's a long season and he's coming from a low base.. ..


Have to disagree. Still finding his feet and is very young in AFL terms. Needs to play consistent football to get a true read of his future. I'd play Levi as well with both giving Kruezer short breaks.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:13 pm 
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MM made a statement at the start of the year that it would be horses for courses.

Warnock should come into this team ... we are going to need him against Sandilands.
Graham should also be given a chance ... a ball magnet in the making.
If Waite is ok ... he should come straight back

So

Ins: Warnock, Graham, Waite (if ready else Casboult)
Outs: Rowe, Cachia, Lucas

If we do this we would need to run Eddie and Jeffy thru the midfield a bit.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 30, 2013 4:42 pm 
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AGRO wrote:
How about someone tag Gibbs for a change?


Not sure we have a matchup for him. :grin:

This week i will be happy for gibbs to be released from the backline providing it is to run with Fyfe.

We will have a better chance if someone else could do the job and Gibbs could play back behind the ball but i am not sure we have a player capable.
Armfield maybe?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 8:40 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..Rowe is starting to hit the wall, it's a long season and he's coming from a low base.. ..


Have to disagree. Still finding his feet and is very young in AFL terms. Needs to play consistent football to get a true read of his future. I'd play Levi as well with both giving Kruezer short breaks.


..i understand your points and agree to a certain extent, but by saying "he's hitting the wall", i don't mean talent/development.. ..i'm talking fitness.. ..he's coming off a low base, and can't carry such a structural workload week in week out.. ..he's struggling to get to the right spots in time, struggles with repeat leads, offers little defensive pressure.. ..he's not that good in the ruck when he goes in there either.. ..i think he's more kpp vs fwd/ruck, and i think the current role doesn't suit him.. ..i also think, that he's tiring and even playing his 'natural' role is now too much for him, MM's gameplan requires big 4 quarter effort and Rowe is beginning to run on empty.. ..needs a rest..

..i'd bring in Levi for Rowe.. ..while i normally prefer a 2KPF combo fulltime, i think for this match-up the extra run is what will be required.. ..not too worried about Sandi, he's on his last legs and will be cooked by half-time trying to keep up with Krooz.. ..Sandi's support [clarke?] will be worked over by Krooz and Levi's bang and crash style.. ..Freo are neither a good clearance team, nor a good contested ball winning team.. ..it's their 'outside' work that catches team undone.. ..extra run and quick ball movement is their kryptonite..

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 9:25 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
Big Kahuna Boot wrote:
..Rowe is starting to hit the wall, it's a long season and he's coming from a low base.. ..


Have to disagree. Still finding his feet and is very young in AFL terms. Needs to play consistent football to get a true read of his future. I'd play Levi as well with both giving Kruezer short breaks.


I think Rowe was pretty feeble last week - went to ground too often. Was our least effective player on the day. This is disappointing from his 3 goal outing a few weeks ago but he provided nothing but turnovers on young opposition.

I think for this week Casboult is a must to replace him as we'll need the pack mark option to break open the Dockers' defence. The Dockers were very good last week an they have the Lyon strangle downpat right now.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:38 pm 
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Last time I saw Carlton and Fremantle live, Darren Pfieffer kicked the winning goal.

Hopefully another Norwood boy in Cachia can repeat his efforts.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:49 pm 
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MM on SEN this morning was pretty clear that a forward who can ruck was always going to be in the side. Seems to me then that Rowe stays even though I agree he hasn't been useful as a scoreboard contributor the last two weeks.

Casboult in for Rowe? I'm not sure that's going to happen either. Waite is still the magic 1-2 away and even when he does come back, a ruck relief will stay in the team as he and Henderson can't play that position.

Makes for interesting times regarding selection. I'm tipping Henderson returns to the back line too (and swings forward when Waite's not playing there?)... which is a shame because I like Henderson as a stay at home forward.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 12:58 pm 
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As silly as it sounds, I'd almost send Waite back and drop Jammo if we had to drop a current tall. Watson hasn't done a lot wrong the last few weeks, although he has had the benefit of Jamison taking the best forward.

Rowe only survives because he can ruck.

I don't really want Waite in the team at all anymore. Love him as a player and he's brilliant when he's on, but we really need to start to develop a spine that plays together consistently. Unfortunately he just can't contribute towards that. If we decide to play a tall team I don't mind him as an extra, but not at the expense of one of our longer term prospects.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:05 pm 
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Why or why can we not have Henderson, Waite & one of Casboult/Rowe/Kruezer up forward?
All mobile, athletic and big. Imagine these 3 with the 3 amigo's together.
I am obviously living in a dream, just like I was when I was calling for Hendo to go foward!!!!!!


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:06 pm 
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Nothing wrong at all with that 3 tall set up.

More or less, I don't want Waite coming into the team at the expense of Henderson being forced back to the backline.

We need 3 more Hendos.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:12 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Why or why can we not have Henderson, Waite & one of Casboult/Rowe/Kruezer up forward?
All mobile, athletic and big. Imagine these 3 with the 3 amigo's together.
I am obviously living in a dream, just like I was when I was calling for Hendo to go foward!!!!!!


..nothing at all, but it requires fanatical work ethic.. ..hendo and krooz work all game, bolt and rowe are willing but not big enough tanks just yet, waite is 50/50.. ..it also requires a sound understanding of the overall gameplan.. ..this we're really beginning to see more, so i reckon a 3 tall fwd set-up has a better chance of working now, than it did early season.. ..playing 2 bonafide KPFs in the combo also goes a long way [waite and hendo].. ..it also requires big work ethic from the smalls and meds that play around the talls, both fwd and when the bigs work up the ground.. ..run run run..

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:39 pm 
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Nothing wrong at all with that 3 tall set up.

More or less, I don't want Waite coming into the team at the expense of Henderson being forced back to the backline.

We need 3 more Hendos.



Nup, send Waite to the backline. I would be interested to know what Hendo's conversion rate is for set shots compared to Waite's. I just have the feeling that Hendo's boot is a safer bet.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 1:43 pm 
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I'd actually prefer Waite in defence and I think that's where he will go.

Henderson has proved he can be a very consistent forward and should stay there.

IMO Henderson up forward with Casboult or Rowe is our best option.

Send Waite to defence. It's where he played his best and most consistent football and along with Walker, Tuohy, Simpson & McInnes could form a top class backline.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 31, 2013 2:00 pm 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I'd actually prefer Waite in defence and I think that's where he will go.

Henderson has proved he can be a very consistent forward and should stay there.

IMO Henderson up forward with Casboult or Rowe is our best option.

Send Waite to defence. It's where he played his best and most consistent football and along with Walker, Tuohy, Simpson & McInnes could form a top class backline.


Yep, MM mentioned Waite's experience as a backman.

I agree, mainly because Hendo has been so good as a forward I'd be pissed off if he goes back when Waite gets fit. Hendo is a consistent key forward with all the tricks and is 6 years younger than Waite. I would though like to see how Waite goes as second banana in the forward line.


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