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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:55 am 
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White has never done anything close to what Jamo has achieved.
And as Drewgirl pointed out, he's not big enough to be a Full Back.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:57 am 
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Wonder if the Dogs would consider pick 3 and Minson for pick 1, and then look at swapping their second rounder for Warnock and Hampson?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 10:57 am 
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Drewgirl wrote:
But he is undersized to be a full back.......... I actually prefer him as a forward to be honest.



Not really, plays tall and is extremely strong. Have a look at the games he played when Jamison was injured last year. We were struggling and he was very good. Got a lot of B&F votes during that period.

Very good one on one defender.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:03 am 
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Stamos wrote:
White has never done anything close to what Jamo has achieved.
And as Drewgirl pointed out, he's not big enough to be a Full Back.


What he said.

That's the beauty about being out of the prime action.
The longer you're out the bigger the legend becomes. :smile:
No one seems to remember why White was dropped in the first place.

Look at Dylan Grimes at Richmond.
Has played only 22 so-so games in 4 years, yet the Richmond faithful have him as the difference in what's needed to win a premiership.

I also wouldn't be throwing the name Yarran around too readily as a trade.
As it stands the CFC aren't particularly interested in the notion.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:10 am 
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harker wrote:
Stamos wrote:
White has never done anything close to what Jamo has achieved.
And as Drewgirl pointed out, he's not big enough to be a Full Back.



No one seems to remember why White was dropped in the first place.



Is that right? Maybe he was dropped because he is having to fill a role he isn't suited??

It's not purely about size it's how you play the role. He is stronger, has a better reach and is better one on one than Jamison. Darren Glass is only 2cm taller? He's an All Australian FB.

Put Jamison in as a third up defender that has to be more offensive and see how he goes.

White's best position is Full Back. He played a lot there in the WAFL and it is where he played his best football in Navy Blue.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:13 am 
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Stamos wrote:
White has never done anything close to what Jamo has achieved.


What has be achieved??

Best Clubman 2010? WOW :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:15 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

Is that right? Maybe he was dropped because he is having to fill a role he isn't suited??
It's not purely about size it's how you play the role. He is stronger, has a better reach and is better one on one than Jamison. Darren Glass is only 2cm taller? He's an All Australian FB.
Put Jamison in as a third up defender that has to be more offensive and see how he goes.
White's best position is Full Back. He played a lot there in the WAFL and it is where he played his best football in Navy Blue.


Jamison has the better closing speed as well as the better reach.

White was never going to come in for Jamison whilst Jamo is fit.
He was being considered for McInnes and even then I reckon Bootsma would have got the gig in front of White.

I'm not anti-White by any means but other have the jump on him going forward.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:19 am 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:

Is that right? Maybe he was dropped because he is having to fill a role he isn't suited??
It's not purely about size it's how you play the role. He is stronger, has a better reach and is better one on one than Jamison. Darren Glass is only 2cm taller? He's an All Australian FB.
Put Jamison in as a third up defender that has to be more offensive and see how he goes.
White's best position is Full Back. He played a lot there in the WAFL and it is where he played his best football in Navy Blue.


Jamison has the better closing speed as well as the better reach.


Totally disagree. Watching him the last couple of weeks his closing speed especially has been woeful and because of his shoulder issues his reach is restricted. I have seen him get caught a metre or two off his opponent on numerous occasions.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:20 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:

What has be achieved??

Best Clubman 2010? WOW :roll:


Psych, White is very much liked and admired around the club for the person he is.
Ratten had a lot of time for him and Malthouse is also a fan. White has a very good football brain and the coaches engage him for a chat regularly.

White had a terrific pre-season but he's largely vying for the spot McInnes has and that Bootsma will have.
White doesn't have the speed nor skill-set to play the third tall nor the height and strength to play on 200cm forwards.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:26 am 
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harker wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:

White had a terrific pre-season but he's largely vying for the spot McInnes has and that Bootsma will have.
White doesn't have the speed nor skill-set to play the third tall nor the height and strength to play on 200cm forwards.


I agree about third tall and 200cm forwards. Jamison isn't suited for that either. They are fighting for the same spot. If White is persisted with as a third defender he will struggle as its not his spot.

As for Bootsma he will never be a third tall defender. People get confused with his height. As a kid he was a mobile HB/Wingman. He is a good user and smart footballer. He will never have the bulk to play on big forwards.

He could be a very good midfield runner. I'd let him develop into that role.

McInnes will eventually develop into a running HB ala Mackie.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:37 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
I agree about third tall and 200cm forwards. Jamison isn't suited for that either. They are fighting for the same spot. If White is persisted with as a third defender he will struggle as its not his spot.

As for Bootsma he will never be a third tall defender. People get confused with his height. As a kid he was a mobile HB/Wingman. He is a good user and smart footballer. He will never have the bulk to play on big forwards.

He could be a very good midfield runner. I'd let him develop into that role.
McInnes will eventually develop into a running HB ala Mackie.


I don't get confused with Bootsma's height but it's his jump, reach and spoiling techniques which hold him in good stead, but I agree that he could develop into a very dangerous wing-man.

McInnes v Mackie comparison is a very good one. McInnes looks like Mackie already.

Simon White is 190cm and there are very few KP back-men at that height, if any.
He'd have to be very special in many other areas to warrant holding down a premium post but he just doesn't have any such tricks. Not going to happen.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:41 am 
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harker wrote:
He'd have to be very special in many other areas to warrant holding down a premium post but he just doesn't have any such tricks. Not going to happen.


and what does Jamison offer that's better?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:45 am 
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ThePsychologist wrote:
harker wrote:
He'd have to be very special in many other areas to warrant holding down a premium post but he just doesn't have any such tricks. Not going to happen.


and what does Jamison offer that's better?


Mentioned them earlier.
Jamison hasn't had a great couple of weeks but his first half of the season was very good.

If that wasn't the case then White would have been playing in the seniors and Jamison in the VFL. Pretty straight forward, I think.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 12:11 pm 
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The Rhino wrote:
zeecfc wrote:
Shame trade bullshit we heard with Garlett that has many eating humble pie.

You can't find another Eddie Betts and the three small forwards when on make us unbeatable. It was never going to click in the first year with Mick, we just need to be bloody patient!


The pertinent words in your argument. How often is that? How often is that against quality opposition? How often is it when the game is on the line?

Eddie is probably the best small forward in the AFL. Granted, we probably won't find another one to his level.

Way I see it, the small forward position is dead, and if either the restrictions on interchanges or the second substitute come in, it gets even worse. I'd rather his position go to someone who may not necessarily be as reliable for 40 goals a year, but can kick 30 and still be the part of our midfield rotations that he's yet to really get amongst in 9 years at the club.

If it means losing Betts to keep Bryce, this is also a win. Perhaps not as good as being able to secure another free agent in 2014, but still a win nonetheless. Pick 20-30 for a position that is fast becoming obsolete and irrelevant to winning a premiership, is a harsh deal but ultiamtely pertinent to what position we're in with our list management.


Not sure we should let him go. He actually looks good when given a run in the middle.

As far as the position becoming irrelevant......what else was Mitch Morton used for in last years GF? He's 2 goals went a long way to winning the flag.


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ThePsychologist wrote:
harker wrote:
He'd have to be very special in many other areas to warrant holding down a premium post but he just doesn't have any such tricks. Not going to happen.


and what does Jamison offer that's better?


Well, for a start he hasn't got a broken neck.

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Not sure we should let him go. He actually looks good when given a run in the middle.

As far as the position becoming irrelevant......what else was Mitch Morton used for in last years GF? He's 2 goals went a long way to winning the flag.


Don't you think its concerning though that ever since he came to the club, he was touted as one day becoming a midfielder, and it's never happened? Development issue or laziness on his part?

I think Mitch Morton is a million to one exception to the rule, rather than the rule itself. Just as clubs didn't all rush out and pick up Nick Davis types in 2005 much to the chagrin of KFC.

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Stamos wrote:
White has never done anything close to what Jamo has achieved.
And as Drewgirl pointed out, he's not big enough to be a Full Back.


I agree with this.

I do recall how disappointed I was in Jammo 2 years ago. He was deadfully out of form and did not deserve his spot. In fact I suggested he was a liability back then.

At the time Psych and I think Doc also agreed he didn't deserve his spot. However, he did come back well at the beginning of 2012 but faded a bit. He also has started well this year but tends to ball watch and corall (spelling???) his opponents rather than attacking their hips to stop them having a possession which is extremely disappointing, and he gives away dumb free kicks..really dumb. In fact I think if the umpires did their job properly Jammo would be giving away many more goals.

Now, comparing Jammo and White, yes I did think White was a better prospect than Jammo 2 years, but I see similar traits with White but White does show a lot more depsration than Jammo at the contest.

Jammo is a better spoil and a bettr mark than White. I think he's also better than White with the one on ones and I think Jammo is a better kick than White. White's looly pop passes long and short do my head in. I expected him to be amuch better kick than he is when some of us were calling for Jammo shead a couple of years ago to be replaced by White.

Jammo >>> White...both have a lot of flaws in their game.

When Jammo is hot, White doesn't come close. In fact when Jammo is in top form he looks like an AA FB.

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Wonder if the Dogs would consider pick 3 and Minson for pick 1, and then look at swapping their second rounder for Warnock and Hampson?


You're on the ball Rhino...I think that would work for them, given Warnock and Hampson are still relatively young.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 24, 2013 2:53 pm 
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Small goalkicking forwards are still hot property....look at Dahlhaus.. Milne..Elliott and Krakouer for instance.

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If Eddie wants to chase the dollars under free agency then he makes the dilemma of which of the 3 amigos to keep a hell of a lot easier.

And his spot in the forward line is taken by Menzel.

We utilise the compo pick we get for Eddie for another young mid fielder.

As I said elsewhere I would hate to see Eddie go because apart from Fev he was one of our shining on field lights when we were really shit from 2005 through to 2007, but we move on and try to improve our list.

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