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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:50 pm 
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Hopefully Betts goes to Adelaide.

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* Clubs can ask for an indication of their draft compensation before they decide to match a rival club’s offer. But the AFL has said clubs will not get a definitive answer on the draft pick they would receive until the offer from a rival club was official.

* The formula for compensation is based on the size and length of the contract and the age of the player. For instance, Brendon Goddard would almost certainly deliver a first-round pick.

However, there are various permutations. Clubs that lose a player to free agency but gain a player could receive less, depending on the value of the player they recruit. For instance, if St Kilda lost Goddard, but gained another player of less quality, the compensation would be based on the difference between the players, meaning the Saints may only receive a third-round pick plus their new player. If the player gained is judged to be at the same level to the one lost, the relevant club would receive nothing.

* The AFL will use five bands of draft selections to determine compensation. These are first round, end of first round, second round, end of second round and third round.

* Unlike expansion laws, clubs cannot ‘‘bank’’ their free-agency compensation picks. This means they will have to used or traded in the same year and cannot be stored and used when a club expects itself to finish lower on the ladder.

* Restricted free agents will fill in a ‘‘form 41’’ detailing a rival club’s official offer in terms of base payments, senior match payments and additional service agreement (ASA) payments. Unrestricted free agents will fill in a ‘‘form 42’’.

* The current player’s club will have three days to match a rival offer.

* Contracts must be lodged within seven days of the club receiving notice from the AFL.

* There will be no compensation for delisted players


3 months older than Franklin, would almost certainly leave for more money/longer contract than we'd offer, last three best and fairest results are 2nd, 8th and 9th.

Under that criteria, it's entirely feasible that we end up with a pick in the early 20s as compensation if he goes.

I'd take anything above 30 for him, and it frees up anywhere between 300-400k in the salary cap.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 1:52 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
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betts for otten

Crows don't need to trade to get Betts (free agent).


i know but i choose to ignore that

i want otten

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:00 pm 
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FWIW - Franklin's last three B&F finishes are 5th, 4th and 2nd.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:24 pm 
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Love Eddie like everyone else, but if he leaves for money at the Crows, so be it. Like Rhino said, we'd potentially be better off with regards to cap space and a half decent draft pick.

Let them throw some good coin at Eddie, make it harder for them to give Gibbs an offer he can't refuse deal next year.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:30 pm 
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If we got a pick inside 20 I'd be happy for him to go.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 2:58 pm 
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Wouldn't happen (unless criteria suddenly changes, which is unlikely given they're going to scrap it all together next year). Too old, not commanding a decent enough chunk of the TPP to be considered.

In fact, given the current formula, I don't think there's anyone available under free agency that would come close to a pick under 20.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:27 pm 
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So we can't trade Gibbs but he could leave next season for a measly compensation pick? Hmm... :?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:35 pm 
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Eddie has been our best and most consistent forward for the past 5 years.
Imagine how good he could be with a half decent tall forward to crumb to.

He's well worth retaining. As long as he's not greedy, he should remain a Blue.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:51 pm 
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Shame trade bullshit we heard with Garlett that has many eating humble pie.

You can't find another Eddie Betts and the three small forwards when on make us unbeatable. It was never going to click in the first year with Mick, we just need to be bloody patient!


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:56 pm 
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zeecfc wrote:
Shame trade bullshit we heard with Garlett that has many eating humble pie.

You can't find another Eddie Betts and the three small forwards when on make us unbeatable. It was never going to click in the first year with Mick, we just need to be bloody patient!


The pertinent words in your argument. How often is that? How often is that against quality opposition? How often is it when the game is on the line?

Eddie is probably the best small forward in the AFL. Granted, we probably won't find another one to his level.

Way I see it, the small forward position is dead, and if either the restrictions on interchanges or the second substitute come in, it gets even worse. I'd rather his position go to someone who may not necessarily be as reliable for 40 goals a year, but can kick 30 and still be the part of our midfield rotations that he's yet to really get amongst in 9 years at the club.

If it means losing Betts to keep Bryce, this is also a win. Perhaps not as good as being able to secure another free agent in 2014, but still a win nonetheless. Pick 20-30 for a position that is fast becoming obsolete and irrelevant to winning a premiership, is a harsh deal but ultiamtely pertinent to what position we're in with our list management.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 3:58 pm 
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I dont understand this trade Eddie Betts sentiment from most of you. Getting a pick in the 20's. Ridiculous, for someone who has been as consisent as Eddie. He is a matchwinner, and you want to trade him for a pick in the 20's who could turn out to be a dud.

Hope he stays....... There is room for Eddie, Yarran and Garlett in the side for sure......


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:01 pm 
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I've said before that Eddie is a legend - but if he wants to walk to Adelaide for the cash and we get a pick between 20 & 30 - I would say where do we sign.

It solves the problem of playing the 3 amigos in the forward line and we have extra money in our cap and we use the pick for a young mid-fielder.

Eddie actually makes our job easier if he walks.

But I would be sad to see him go.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:05 pm 
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I'd prefer Yarran to go before Betts, but the way the system is working, I have much more faith in being told by whoever at AFLHQ given the task of delegating compo picks "Yep, Betts goes, you get pick X", rather than another Jacobs scenario where we end up pretending to play hard ball for the duration of trade week, and come out with SFA.

Then again, from another perspective, there are probably only two clubs with less leverage on the trade table than we do. Adelaide and Essendon*.

Do we match the offer, thinking we'd get something better than the 20-30 compo pick from Adelaide? I doubt we would. But hey, if Rory Sloane wants to come home....

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:17 pm 
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Under FA rules, if we get another free agent - say Thomas - it would cancel out any compensation for Betts.

Compensation is decided on a net gain, not per individual player.

Last year Port lost Pearce and Chaplin, but gained Monfries. They agreed to trading a pick to EFC* for Monfries to not compromise their return for losing the other two.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:18 pm 
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Drewgirl wrote:
I dont understand this trade Eddie Betts sentiment from most of you. Getting a pick in the 20's. Ridiculous, for someone who has been as consisent as Eddie. He is a matchwinner, and you want to trade him for a pick in the 20's who could turn out to be a dud.

Hope he stays....... There is room for Eddie, Yarran and Garlett in the side for sure......


I agree with you mate......we're short of talented players, and people want to offload Eddie...WTF!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:18 pm 
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Eddie's kicked about 15% of our goals over the last couple of years. I wouldn't give that up for a compensation pick unless his demands are unreasonable. Cap space shouldn't be a problem with Judd's new deal and blokes like Joseph, Davies and probably Scotland being replaced with kids. Can always trade Warnock too if we need money.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:37 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
Under FA rules, if we get another free agent - say Thomas - it would cancel out any compensation for Betts.

Compensation is decided on a net gain, not per individual player.

Last year Port lost Pearce and Chaplin, but gained Monfries. They agreed to trading a pick to EFC* for Monfries to not compromise their return for losing the other two.


Fair point, although the extra money to either retain Gibbs or have a crack at a free agent in 2014 is probably the bigger picture. A straight swap of Dale Thomas for Eddie Betts isn't the worst scenario however.

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Eddie's kicked about 15% of our goals over the last couple of years. I wouldn't give that up for a compensation pick unless his demands are unreasonable. Cap space shouldn't be a problem with Judd's new deal and blokes like Joseph, Davies and probably Scotland being replaced with kids. Can always trade Warnock too if we need money.


We used that excuse as to justify not trading Fevola. Our scoring potency went up after he went. It's value for money.

Can that amount we're spending on Betts, a purely one position player, be better spent elsewhere? We probably only need at most, one genuine small forward. We have three.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 4:56 pm 
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I think Eddie is a very good player, Garlett is more than handy, Yarran is talented but lazy.

My question is how long do we have to wait for them to get it together and how many games including "Big Games" will they influence.

IMO not as many as we need. Our list needs improving and to do that some hard decisions need to be made.

If we trade Betts or Yarran or both to get early picks or good trades so be it. I'm happy with that.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:03 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
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betts for otten

Crows don't need to trade to get Betts (free agent).


i know but i choose to ignore that

i want otten


Fair enough! :beer:

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2013 5:11 pm 
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Adelaide can go and get flowered. We need to raid their players after the Jacobs bullshit, not the other way!
Hopefully the club is awake. :mad:


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