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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:04 pm 
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BV if we kicked straight late it would've been a massacre. We did kick more pts than North.

I would drop Army this week, give him the Robbo message.

Agree with your thoughts on Graham coming in, probably for Cachia, but replacing Scotland might be an option also.


correct on overall shots at goal, but early they missed everything and we should have been 4 goals down - our kicking kept us in it too, which was a welcome change as is winning 4 of last 5 at our graveyard. Nice time to play Graham this week.
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Locke
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Since we went unchanged last week I can't see there being too much in the way of changes again.

They had a bye 3 weeks ago, they're sore but so is everyone else, most certainly no resting for the sack of resting. McInnes is te exception, and it's hardly resting considering he had a knee op 11 months ago.

If McInnes knee is even the slightest bit sore give him the week off. He's 21 and made a spectacularly quick recovery from a knee reco, we've still got a decade of good footy from him, 1 week out won't upset our season.

Out: McInnes
In: White or Laidler.

They're obviously happy with team structures, so there's no reason not to bring in a like for like replacement

If Army is so Robbo can come back.

Graham seems close, maybe Cachia's only a bad game away from a spell in the NBs?


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Blues Clues
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:03 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
Collingwood did us a favour by losing to the Suns.
Some of the Gold Coast kids might get a bit ahead of themselves after a big win like that, and it ll force us to take Gold Coast more seriously now.


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Locke
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Would also love Yarran to back up his ferocity two weeks in a row.

Unsure how many tackles he laid, but it was great to see that once he got hold of them, they went down hard; it wasn't just the run downs from behind.

He's a good boxer, yes? Show some of those qualities on the field and he'll be a star.
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Blue Vain
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:34 pm 
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Blueboy74 wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Carrazzo is playing OK. Like most of our midfield rotation, he's doing defensive roles. His job on Swallow was successful and he kept Swallow to 20 possies.
At some stage hopefully Mick will realise you cant keep tagging all the opposition players and be a successful team.
Gibbs on Ziebell was a farce. Sorry but Ziebell hasnt been that good.

Hopefully against GC we'll tag Ablett with Carrazzo, O'Meara with Curnow and let the others actually run a proper midfield combination.
At the moment Murphy and Judd are our only midfielders with a mindset of winning the ball.
Not only does it limit our ball winning, it gives the opposition the upper hand in the midfield structure. If Cachia cant contribute with purely tagging, drop him and bring in Graham.
Put Simpson back to the attacking wing as he has rediscovered his form and confidence after having his jaw smashed last year. Some of his marks were ultra courageous Fridaty night. It will also release Scotland back to his defensive wing role.
We have to see if he can cut it still as he's struggling minding a man. Perform or make way for someone else time for Scotland.

My team, bring in Robbo and Graham. Forget the bullshit forward tag for Robinson and place him, Graham and Gibbs into an offensive midfield rotation.
I forward tag (Armfield), 2 midfield tags (Ablett, O'Meara) and actually go out to win the ball.

Lets be honest, if North had kicked half straight when they dominated the game, they would have beaten us easily.
We cant expect to win many games winning 290 possessions. Once again we won the contested possessions but got smashed at the uncontested. Release some of the tags.


are they really tags or is mm trying to instil a man on man mindset?

weve only really known how to run one way so maybe still too hard for our players to grasp when to run forward v when to run back & theyre playing safe as a consequence.

just a theory


Agree. Lyon went through the same thing with Freo last year.

Turned a bunch of flaky front runners into one of the best defensive units in the AFL.

Didn't happen straight away. Had them 6-7 after 13 rounds. Only hit the 100 point mark in one game, and at times looked like they'd completely forgotten how to score....


True but the Ross Lyon ultra defensive methodology hasnt won a premiership yet.
Geelong played an offensive corridor based game and they won 3 flags. Just because it works for one team doesnt neccesarily mean it work at another (As MM freely admits)
If we run more than 3 tags against the 14th placed team, its a disgrace.

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WOW
PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:48 pm 
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I think the reason Malthouse has run so many tags is the players doing the tagging are limited with their abilities, not sure how this helps with changing the defensive mindset of the team, otherwise you would have players like Yarran tagging

it may win you enough games to make the finals but won't win you a premiership

I would rather win a premiership
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jimmae
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I would say Curnow is becoming less limited, as is Cachia. It teaches them something, but let's be serious: we need more defensively responsible midfielders. The term 'tagger' is redundant because these blokes are not purely nullifying beyond the stoppages.

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Blue Vain
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jimmae wrote:
let's be serious: we need more defensively responsible midfielders.


No, we need our offensive midfielders to improve their defensive aspects.
That doesnt happen by running more defensive midfielders.

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out of harmes' way
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Collingwood did us a huge favour by highlighting the fact that GC should not be undestimated. Unlike Collingwood we employ taggers whereas they tend not too. Curnow & Carrots get ready boys. Let's hope we don't spend too long at Movieworld and not show up-like we did last year.
Must win!
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out of harmes' way wrote:
Collingwood did us a huge favour by highlighting the fact that GC should not be undestimated. Unlike Collingwood we employ taggers whereas they tend not too. Curnow & Carrots get ready boys. Let's hope we don't spend too long at Movieworld and not show up-like we did last year.
Must win!


Curnow wont be getting much sleep this week.

If a tagger ever won a game it could be this week.

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bluegirl72
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Blue Vain wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Carrazzo is playing OK. Like most of our midfield rotation, he's doing defensive roles. His job on Swallow was successful and he kept Swallow to 20 possies.
At some stage hopefully Mick will realise you cant keep tagging all the opposition players and be a successful team.
Gibbs on Ziebell was a farce. Sorry but Ziebell hasnt been that good.

Hopefully against GC we'll tag Ablett with Carrazzo, O'Meara with Curnow and let the others actually run a proper midfield combination.
At the moment Murphy and Judd are our only midfielders with a mindset of winning the ball.
Not only does it limit our ball winning, it gives the opposition the upper hand in the midfield structure. If Cachia cant contribute with purely tagging, drop him and bring in Graham.
Put Simpson back to the attacking wing as he has rediscovered his form and confidence after having his jaw smashed last year. Some of his marks were ultra courageous Fridaty night. It will also release Scotland back to his defensive wing role.
We have to see if he can cut it still as he's struggling minding a man. Perform or make way for someone else time for Scotland.

My team, bring in Robbo and Graham. Forget the bullshit forward tag for Robinson and place him, Graham and Gibbs into an offensive midfield rotation.
I forward tag (Armfield), 2 midfield tags (Ablett, O'Meara) and actually go out to win the ball.

Lets be honest, if North had kicked half straight when they dominated the game, they would have beaten us easily.
We cant expect to win many games winning 290 possessions. Once again we won the contested possessions but got smashed at the uncontested. Release some of the tags.


are they really tags or is mm trying to instil a man on man mindset?

weve only really known how to run one way so maybe still too hard for our players to grasp when to run forward v when to run back & theyre playing safe as a consequence.

just a theory


Agree. Lyon went through the same thing with Freo last year.

Turned a bunch of flaky front runners into one of the best defensive units in the AFL.

Didn't happen straight away. Had them 6-7 after 13 rounds. Only hit the 100 point mark in one game, and at times looked like they'd completely forgotten how to score....


True but the Ross Lyon ultra defensive methodology hasnt won a premiership yet.
Geelong played an offensive corridor based game and they won 3 flags. Just because it works for one team doesnt neccesarily mean it work at another (As MM freely admits)
If we run more than 3 tags against the 14th placed team, its a disgrace.

I worship at your church. BV.
You sure know your stuff.

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DesEnglish
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bluegirl72 wrote:
WOW wrote:
Ponkstar wrote:
Curnow will run with Ablett this week I think.


O'Meara is the other danger

He is the next Judd

GC will be scary now.


EfA


Let's not forget they have another sitting in the ressies. How everyone allowed them to stockpile those GWS priority picks is a mystery.
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Dodo27
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So any Ideas how to stop Ablett?

Another 49 touches and we will share the same fate as the Pies. I don't think tagging him will work...


Any Suggestions?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:52 am 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Blueboy74 wrote:
doofdoof wrote:
Blue Vain wrote:
Carrazzo is playing OK. Like most of our midfield rotation, he's doing defensive roles. His job on Swallow was successful and he kept Swallow to 20 possies.
At some stage hopefully Mick will realise you cant keep tagging all the opposition players and be a successful team.
Gibbs on Ziebell was a farce. Sorry but Ziebell hasnt been that good.

Hopefully against GC we'll tag Ablett with Carrazzo, O'Meara with Curnow and let the others actually run a proper midfield combination.
At the moment Murphy and Judd are our only midfielders with a mindset of winning the ball.
Not only does it limit our ball winning, it gives the opposition the upper hand in the midfield structure. If Cachia cant contribute with purely tagging, drop him and bring in Graham.
Put Simpson back to the attacking wing as he has rediscovered his form and confidence after having his jaw smashed last year. Some of his marks were ultra courageous Fridaty night. It will also release Scotland back to his defensive wing role.
We have to see if he can cut it still as he's struggling minding a man. Perform or make way for someone else time for Scotland.

My team, bring in Robbo and Graham. Forget the bullshit forward tag for Robinson and place him, Graham and Gibbs into an offensive midfield rotation.
I forward tag (Armfield), 2 midfield tags (Ablett, O'Meara) and actually go out to win the ball.

Lets be honest, if North had kicked half straight when they dominated the game, they would have beaten us easily.
We cant expect to win many games winning 290 possessions. Once again we won the contested possessions but got smashed at the uncontested. Release some of the tags.


are they really tags or is mm trying to instil a man on man mindset?

weve only really known how to run one way so maybe still too hard for our players to grasp when to run forward v when to run back & theyre playing safe as a consequence.

just a theory


Agree. Lyon went through the same thing with Freo last year.

Turned a bunch of flaky front runners into one of the best defensive units in the AFL.

Didn't happen straight away. Had them 6-7 after 13 rounds. Only hit the 100 point mark in one game, and at times looked like they'd completely forgotten how to score....


True but the Ross Lyon ultra defensive methodology hasnt won a premiership yet.
Geelong played an offensive corridor based game and they won 3 flags. Just because it works for one team doesnt neccesarily mean it work at another (As MM freely admits)
If we run more than 3 tags against the 14th placed team, its a disgrace.

It got the saints within a kick twice with inferior sides to there opponents
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 7:53 am 
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WOW wrote:
I think the reason Malthouse has run so many tags is the players doing the tagging are limited with their abilities, not sure how this helps with changing the defensive mindset of the team, otherwise you would have players like Yarran tagging

it may win you enough games to make the finals but won't win you a premiership

I would rather win a premiership

Spot on as at collingwood he rarely used a tag sometimes he used wellingham

Mm adapts to the team he had that's why he has been and still is a super coach
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Blueboy74
PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2013 8:07 am 
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My earlier post about Lyon and Fremantle wasn't necessarily that we should copy their game style more the fact that when you try and bring in change, sometimes there is a risk of over-correction before eventually finding the right balance.

In their case they went from an exciting side, to a drab side who couldn't hit the scoreboard in the first half of 2012, and then to what they are now.

Off topic, but regardless of style they won't win anything with just Mayne as their number 1 forward....

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bondiblue wrote:
kezza wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
Was there last year to witness the horror first hand, and doing so again this year.

GC are a much better team than last time. Nonetheless, last year's events simply must not be allowed to happen again.

Me too.
Sat through the debacle and am going back again.
Where are you sitting? I have tickets in bay 201.


Me too


haven't got tickets...yet


We got a group going as well - are there any afl pubs up there where the blues supporters congregrate before or after the game?
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Dodo27 wrote:
So any Ideas how to stop Ablett?

Another 49 touches and we will share the same fate as the Pies. I don't think tagging him will work...


Any Suggestions?


..of course tagging works.. ..you can't let any player, anywhere on the field, have free run and just run riot.. ..pies didn't even have a real opponent for Gazza.. ..not even a light tag, just rotated attacking mids vs gazza, such as pendles and swan.. ..plenty of the times at stoppages he wouldn't even be manned up.. ..either stupid coaching, unaccountable players, mix of both..

..you won't neccessarily stop Gazza getting the ball, but you must stifle his influence, he can't be allowed to run freely and be the main playmaker.. ..every touch he gets needs to be rushed, he needs to be under pressure.. ....stifle him, crunch him, and he won't get a chance to fire up the rest of the team.. ....once they're fired up they're hard to contain, you just need to keep knocking them down and not let them get a run at you..

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