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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:03 pm 
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Midfielders and more midfielders

Next year we have

Scotland, carazzo, McLean, Simpson, Judd all 30+
Gibbs 26 and Murphy 27

Only young mids with afl experience are Lucas, Robinson, Curnow, Cachia

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:25 pm 
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Agree Sticks.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:35 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Midfielders and more midfielders

Next year we have

Scotland, carazzo, McLean, Simpson, Judd all 30+
Gibbs 26 and Murphy 27

Only young mids with afl experience are Lucas, Robinson, Curnow, Cachia


C'mon Sticks. Gibbs only 25 next year. McLean only 28 too.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:00 pm 
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Agree with sticks still need to be developing young midfielders to come through
Seem to be able to generally pick them up later in 2nd or 3rd round in the draft
Daisy Thomas would be able to add to the midfield mix if we could get him


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:14 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Daisy Thomas would be able to add to the midfield mix if we could get him


Of course Thomas would be good but think of the salary cap space it takes up. Have to plan properly and not put all our eggs in one basket.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 1:43 pm 
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Effes wrote:
frank dardew wrote:
Daisy Thomas would be able to add to the midfield mix if we could get him


Of course Thomas would be good but think of the salary cap space it takes up. Have to plan properly and not put all our eggs in one basket.


..not only that, but we resigned hendo on 400ish.. ..could take close to 800 for daisy, no way is he double the player.. ..bad message.. ..and further away than 1 expensive player extra..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:09 pm 
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If we finish 8th or 9th we may have to trade or buy a good midfielder.
Had we finished 14th, it wouldn't perhaps be necessary.

Just saying.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:18 pm 
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Just watching Northern Blues and I think we have one. Nick Graham. This kid can play.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:20 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
If we finish 8th or 9th we may have to trade or buy a good midfielder.
Had we finished 14th, it wouldn't perhaps be necessary.

Just saying.


..8th or 9th is still a top ten pick.. ..considering this year it's midfielders for everyone in the draft, i reckon there should be good midfielders right into the 'teens'.. ..i also think we have runners on our list that need to be given some midfield time too when they're ready.. ..yarran, possibly touhy.. ..graham is a mid with potential, menzel supposedly could break into the midfield with some development.. ..we need to add mids yes, but pick 5 vs pick 10 isn't the world for us.. ..we should also trade back into the draft as well..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:28 pm 
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You always need good running midfielders. But what we need even more are another couple of talented, athletic key position players.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 2:37 pm 
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I try not to watch Collingwood. So my question is re Daisy Thomas. Given his injuries this year, if we recruited him what is the possibility of him still being able to run in the midfield? Or would he become (dare I say it) another half back flanker for us?


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:31 pm 
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Hallahan better value than Daisy


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:32 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
Hallahan better value than Daisy


Get both


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 3:35 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Only young mids with afl experience are Lucas, Robinson, Curnow, Cachia


+ Bell, Graham, Ellard. ROK if he can hang on. Buckley, Temay & Menzel may end up as mids too.

I agree we need to keep bringing mids through, but I'm not sure it's the only area we need to address.

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Stefchook wrote:
You always need good running midfielders. But what we need even more are another couple of talented, athletic key position players.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:30 pm 
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Extremely wishful thinking re: Ellard & ROK, ABNS. They are all but gone. Injured every season, cannot play their role when brought in.

Bob up with the odd goal, but what about their opponents? They're good blokes, work hard and have their thinking caps on but they just don't have enough about them long term. Need to move on and reinvest in the draft so the blokes who are better than these names get some competition and replacements.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:48 pm 
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sticksaftersiren87 wrote:
Midfielders and more midfielders

Next year we have

Scotland, carazzo, McLean, Simpson, Judd all 30+
Gibbs 26 and Murphy 27

Only young mids with afl experience are Lucas, Robinson, Curnow, Cachia


I think you've aged some of those players by a year or two.
McLean will be 28 next year and Gibbs 25


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:55 pm 
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It is only worth investing in the draft if there are players worth drafting. No point drafting for the sake of drafting. I am not sure how anyone can assess ROK given his lack of game time. He is worthy persisting with as he is similar to Bell, strong bodied and can run all day. As Thomas is a restricted free agent we will be able to secure him but it will cost, if Collingwood matches the offer he stays with them.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 4:56 pm 
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Bell has some experience and should be a listed player next year.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 20, 2013 5:27 pm 
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carntheblues wrote:
It is only worth investing in the draft if there are players worth drafting. No point drafting for the sake of drafting. I am not sure how anyone can assess ROK given his lack of game time. He is worthy persisting with as he is similar to Bell, strong bodied and can run all day. As Thomas is a restricted free agent we will be able to secure him but it will cost, if Collingwood matches the offer he stays with them.

We picked up ROK in November 2007; he's in his 6th season at the club. He's played 3 games. Time's up.

He is nothing like Bell, which tells me a bit about how much you've seen of him.

Which brings me to why I am in favour of cutting said names, see 4 pages back:

jimmae wrote:
FWIW, here's my take.

Senior List
Out: Joseph, Ellard, Davies, Duigan, Collins, Scotland (ret.)

Further assessment: Mitchell, McCarthy

Elevate: Cachia, Curnow

Rookie List
Out: Rhys O'Keeffe

Further assessment*: Frazer Dale, Tom Bell


Trade Table (in order of likely value):
Hampson, Robinson, Casboult, Warnock, Laidler, White

* - (only one can be retained as a third year rookie if that rule is still in play, though I believe Bell has a contract for 2014 at the minimum, so elevation is likely)

Further assessment implies that we look over those names, run the rule through the draft pool, and consider whether we stand to gain from dumping the listed players in favour of starting anew.

So bare minimum that's 3 off the senior list, which is the minimum requirement, and up to 5 incoming on the rookie list. Senior losses could easily double or (much less likely) triple. 7-11 players out and 8-12 coming in? Around 25% of the list; that's 'pretty radical'.


Which brings me to:

AK43 wrote:
Collins isn't on the senior list btw, he's a rookie.

Cheers for that, so one more to get rid of, with plenty of contentious names. Mitchell or McCarthy or Laidler or White? Hmm.

Casboult should be scrutinised as well IMO.

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