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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:12 am 
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Dont worry about Surrey...

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anyway.... we wernt tested go through their players and see who they have playing any ind of AFL standard footy atm

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:16 am 
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Are you kidding me. Maybe you need to look at their tapes before preaching to me...sorry pal but you are wrong.
Geelong have resting ruckman Blicavs / Simpson, Freo have Mundy. Pav & Sandi / Clark now but had Bradley before. Hawthorn have Roughie, Franklin & Hale / Gunstan. Sydney Goodes, Pike & Reid and now Tippett!!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:17 am 
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jimmae wrote:
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Kreuzer needs to grow a pair! Plays too nice, and really should be better then he is right now.

14 disposals, 4 marks, 33 hitouts, 1 goal (from a mark and set shot, not a gimme), 3 clearances, 3 tackles.

What else do you want from the guy... 24 possessions and a run down the wing?

I thought Kruezer was pretty good, not all of his hitouts went to our midfielders though.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:17 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Dont worry about Surrey...

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anyway.... we wernt tested go through their players and see who they have playing any ind of AFL standard footy atm


Always a pleasure to read your input. :oops:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:19 am 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Are you kidding me. Maybe you need to look at their tapes before preaching to me...sorry pal but you are wrong.
Geelong have resting ruckman Blicavs / Simpson, Freo have Mundy. Pav & Sandi / Clark now but had Bradley before. Hawthorn have Roughie, Franklin & Gunstan. Sydney Goodes, Pike & Reid and now Tippett!!!!


Yes Mundy the tall forward. Gunston is a flanker. We haven't seen what Sydney do with Reid injured. Yes do it occasionally with Henderson/Waite/Kreuzer however imagine the lack of defensive pressure when it hits the ground.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:21 am 
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Bloody hell Effes. Have you not seen the mobility of those 3? This will make the opposition backman accountable and not allow them to peel off and run and if they do the amigo's well be around as well. Why is it so hard to understand. Oh well....


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:22 am 
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Worry with what's wrong at this club when Sticks said at his pre game that he thought we have the right people in place at the club to turn this around and that there's nothing wrong with the list!!!!!

Go figure - he has to go!!
So what does he say privately? Might be different. Could be like any good politician and put a positive spin on things. Needs to be talked up while the season is still on for player confidence. Then you can sweep the broom at season's end. Saying you going to have substantial changes, which I agree is needed by the way, does nothing for player confidence, especially those in the NBs. No wonder there's not alot of spirit in that team.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:24 am 
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Bloody hell Effes. Have you not seen the mobility of those 3? This will make the opposition backman accountable and not allow them to peel off and run and if they do the amigo's well be around as well. Why is it so hard to understand. Oh well....


Kreuzer mobile? Waite prepared to chase without the footy and not go to ground?

Even with extended periods inside 50 Kreuzer hasn't shown much ability forward. He doesn't take many marks anywhere.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:25 am 
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Team looks crap and is playing crap because we've put in some hard yards this season for little return. Losing so many games by such little margins has really taken a toll on their self belief. Tonight was one small step in the right direction in that regard and we'll be all the more better for it.

Also Malthouse is still trying to find a winning formula with this squad. I don't believe for a moment our list is crap. I believe our list is confidence shot, confused and still trying to find the right formula. When it clicks look out!

In 30+ years of football I've seen it too many times. Geelong at one stage were going to sack their coach and their list looked dismal. But they turned it around into one of the best teams of the modern era. I believe we have the team to do it too.

Considering (as a club) we've come from multiple wooden spoons, some enormous beltings, changed coaches, changed assistants, sacked our Coleman medalist (which in itself considering how structure was based around Fev and then bang he's gone, leading goal kicker for how many seasons?) we've not found a replacement for Fev since, and although we've picked up a bunch of first round draft picks, none of those picks have had to opportunity to be part of a winning culture. And THAT is the shining difference between our club becoming great again or failing miserably, missing our window and having to start from scratch again.

My money is on us getting it right with Malthouse, and our current list. That's not to say there won't be some changes to personal, I hope there is if it benefits the club. But to make posts calling player after player crap, no good, get rid of him, trade, sack and so on, I don't know what to think.
I'll go as far to say the only reason we won tonight was not for skill, not for coaching genius, but by sheer will not to lose another game. I see a deflated outfit out there on the park atm. They almost let tonight slip away - again. That isn't a skill thing, and it isn't a coaching thing either. Almost the entire list is suffering. Almost, with the exception of Judd who is old enough and been around enough, and is professional enough to not be influenced by the win/lose ratio, a true professional who creates his own form by sheer hard work and self belief.

If Malthouse can get these young blokes believing in themselves, you watch the transformation this team makes and the brand of football it plays. We've got the cattle, we've got the coach, we've just got to get some momentum and self confidence into these young minds and they'll do the rest.

Right now, they look almost shot. That song in the rooms was woeful. Got to get that winning culture back into the club at all costs, and FAST! before its rebuild time ....


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:26 am 
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jim wrote:
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Worry with what's wrong at this club when Sticks said at his pre game that he thought we have the right people in place at the club to turn this around and that there's nothing wrong with the list!!!!!

Go figure - he has to go!!
So what does he say privately? Might be different. Could be like any good politician and put a positive spin on things. Needs to be talked up while the season is still on for player confidence. Then you can sweep the broom at season's end. Saying you going to have substantial changes, which I agree is needed by the way, does nothing for player confidence, especially those in the NBs. No wonder there's not alot of spirit in that team.

the deensive spread of waite and rowe???

remember surrey... we played stkilda... no tall defenders... and 3rd last :lol:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:28 am 
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idle wrote:
Team looks crap and is playing crap because we've put in some hard yards this season for little return. Losing so many games by such little margins has really taken a toll on their self belief. Tonight was one small step in the right direction in that regard and we'll be all the more better for it.

Also Malthouse is still trying to find a winning formula with this squad. I don't believe for a moment our list is crap. I believe our list is confidence shot, confused and still trying to find the right formula. When it clicks look out!

In 30+ years of football I've seen it too many times. Geelong at one stage were going to sack their coach and their list looked dismal. But they turned it around into one of the best teams of the modern era. I believe we have the team to do it too.

Considering (as a club) we've come from multiple wooden spoons, some enormous beltings, changed coaches, changed assistants, sacked our Coleman medalist (which in itself considering how structure was based around Fev and then bang he's gone, leading goal kicker for how many seasons?) we've not found a replacement for Fev since, and although we've picked up a bunch of first round draft picks, none of those picks have had to opportunity to be part of a winning culture. And THAT is the shining difference between our club becoming great again or failing miserably, missing our window and having to start from scratch again.

My money is on us getting it right with Malthouse, and our current list. That's not to say there won't be some changes to personal, I hope there is if it benefits the club. But to make posts calling player after player crap, no good, get rid of him, trade, sack and so on, I don't know what to think.
I'll go as far to say the only reason we won tonight was not for skill, not for coaching genius, but by sheer will not to lose another game. I see a deflated outfit out there on the park atm. They almost let tonight slip away - again. That isn't a skill thing, and it isn't a coaching thing either. Almost the entire list is suffering. Almost, with the exception of Judd who is old enough and been around enough, and is professional enough to not be influenced by the win/lose ratio, a true professional who creates his own form by sheer hard work and self belief.

If Malthouse can get these young blokes believing in themselves, you watch the transformation this team makes and the brand of football it plays. We've got the cattle, we've got the coach, we've just got to get some momentum and self confidence into these young minds and they'll do the rest.

Right now, they look almost shot. That song in the rooms was woeful. Got to get that winning culture back into the club at all costs, and FAST! before its rebuild time ....


Did someone say CULTURE. :clap: :clap: :clap: Great post pal. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:31 am 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
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I think the knocks on Watson have been a bit harsh. He was alright. We spend so long looking for what's wrong with him we forget to commend what is going right. He played ok.


Ditto Kane Lucas.


The issue is how much are their flaws going to hurt the team into the future Vs what they offer


It's more about if they can improve & overcome those flaws.


That was my original point. Watson is a 20 year old KPP. Not many of them are stars at that stage. He needs to get fitter, he needs to improve his spoiling and second efforts. On the other side, he is an elite kick, big bodied, a reasonable decision maker and young. I hope we invest in his future. At worst he should be a serviceable best 22 footballer.

Lucas needs to improve his tackling, intensity at the ball, keeping his feet and general field kicking. On the positive side he finds the footy, is pretty good above his head and below his knees, can find the goals and impact a game.

Glass is too often half empty in here.


I think Lucas has some very handy skills, can play forward, wing and HBF. Close hands can be good as well as overhead. His kicking for goal needs a hit of confidence. It's his will to make he contest (or keep his feet) and mostly the lack of being able to stick a serious tackle but all can be improved.
Watson: agreed, needs league game time but he needs to harden up, use his size and be more desperate (gives up too easily, almost drops his bundle without a 2nd thought). We need him down back as illustrated by Hendo move fwd + his kicking leaves others for dead in our team.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:31 am 
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Synbad wrote:
remember surrey... we played stkilda... no tall defenders... and 3rd last :lol:


Have I missed something again? :confused:
Did I say we played well and we'll win the premiership or something. :screwy:
You really do have issues with me, don't you. Get help.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:34 am 
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Not surprised by Hendo performing so well up forward.....Remember he came to us as a forward originally from the Lions, we were forced to play him down back through injuries.....I'd like to also see what Luke Mitchell can do....and don't give up on Casboult.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:37 am 
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Break open the champagne :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

We beat the team that sits 16th :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:38 am 
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idle wrote:

Right now, they look almost shot. That song in the rooms was woeful. Got to get that winning culture back into the club at all costs, and FAST! before its rebuild time ....


We need to bring in that guy from Sydney (is it Kenny), he'd never let a song be sung without true club gusto.
Probably wouldn't hurt if he brought a couple of players with him too...


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:38 am 
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Mosquito Fleet wrote:
Break open the champagne :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

We beat the team that sits 16th :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:


Yep. The very reason the song was sung like that. Malthouse has some work to build confidence back up.
Hopefully they practise run and carry a lot this week. You can build confidence by running the ball through and sharing. Once you do that and score on the run a few times you get on a roll and suddenly it clicks.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:39 am 
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Now for the resting ruckman but I digress...!


2 KP forwards + ruckman only rarely. To have it more often would be going back to the thinking of old fogeys like Pagan. Especially at Etihad...need mobility.


..nope, you need two bonafide KPFs, cos one is often leading up.. ..the resting ruck can play deep.. ..if you only play 1 KPF, then resting ruck isnt a 3rd tall but needs to provide structure and it becomes too big a workload being the 2nd kpf target..

..Hendo needs to be the main KPF.. ..he has very good running patterns, works hard, runs straight at the ball carrier.. ..is good marking on the lead as well as in a body on body contested situation.. ..is a good shot for goal, but also not a greedy/selfish fwd.. ..is not only a young KPF, but also a leader and could become the general of the fwd-line... .you can rely on him..

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:42 am 
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Not surprised by Hendo performing so well up forward.....Remember he came to us as a forward originally from the Lions, we were forced to play him down back through injuries.....I'd like to also see what Luke Mitchell can do....and don't give up on Casboult.


He'd also played his game against Lance Franklin at CHB for the Lions. + he choked up forward when he 1st arrived at CFC and struggled to take a mark and kick goals up fwd. You may heard some less than encouraging support for Hendo in the past (unfortunately).


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2013 12:50 am 
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Not surprised by Hendo performing so well up forward.....Remember he came to us as a forward originally from the Lions, we were forced to play him down back through injuries.....I'd like to also see what Luke Mitchell can do....and don't give up on Casboult.


He'd also played his game against Lance Franklin at CHB for the Lions. + he choked up forward when he 1st arrived at CFC and struggled to take a mark and kick goals up fwd. You may heard some less than encouraging support for Hendo in the past (unfortunately).


..i guess for making three points, you weren't going for accuracy.. ..that game where he played very well as a KPD for the brions vs hawks down in tassie was him vs Roughy.. ..just correcting you there, cos it's a common mistake... .still a good game, but he was playing KPD just to break into the team, not much KPF opportunity for him there while he was there.. ..in his 1st season for us he played CHF all year, and showed very good signs for a 20 KPf in his 1st year at new club.. ..and with not many games, having had injuries stall his development up north.. ..it wa shis 2nd season with us where he was injured pre-season, and rushed into the team underdone and it showed.. ..took him a while to get touch and fitness in the ressies, came back a mid after midseason break and took a couple of games to slowly start getting touch, and then moved down back to cover injuries.. ..is quality kpp, and was always going to be a good player.. ..ppl that bagged him are fools..

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