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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 10:59 pm 
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Milne is therapist.
To Luke Darcy: BUT we've been booing him forever.
Henderson is a smart footballer.
Watso is uninspiring but operated at 100%
Cachia did well hunting the ball more than usual
Curnow is no good with the ball but he's a killer of ball magnets. Drove Montagna mad.
Yarran will never be what we want him to be. BUT he is what we need him to be.
Tuohy is becoming elite
Carrots is struggling
Scotland was better
Armfield was channeling me in the first half
Jammo was channeling me in the second half
Murphy works very hard.
Lucas confuses me. He's like a hot dumb chick.
Betts needs to play more midfield
McInness is bank interest
Simpson is selfish
Gibbs is NOT an elite kick
Kreuzer is Kreuzer
Walker is our driving force
JUdd
Maclean is stoic
Rowe can catch

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:02 pm 
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choo wrote:
Pinot thoughts
Milne is therapist.
To Luke Darcy: BUT we've been booing him forever.
Henderson is a smart footballer.
Watso is uninspiring but operated at 100%
Cachia did well hunting the ball more than usual
Curnow is no good with the ball but he's a killer of ball magnets. Drove Montagna mad.
Yarran will never be what we want him to be. BUT he is what we need him to be.
Tuohy is becoming elite
Carrots is struggling
Scotland was better
Armfield was channeling me in the first half
Jammo was channeling me in the second half
Murphy works very hard.
Lucas confuses me. He's like a hot dumb chick.
Betts needs to play more midfield
McInness is bank interest
Simpson is selfish
Gibbs is NOT an elite kick
Kreuzer is Kreuzer
Walker is our driving force
JUdd
Maclean is stoic
Rowe can catch


what were you watching ?!?!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:02 pm 
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use waite at CHB when he comes back

!@#$%& Boyd - we need to do everything we can to get a key defender and a whole bunch of midfielders


No, leave Waite forward and finally make our forward line more potent with 2 key forwards. Play Casboult as the "Leigh Brown" pinch hitting 3rd tall. Put Menzel in there too as the Pies did straight off with Sidebottom. MM will feel like he's at the Pies again! Won a flag with that type of set up. Like to see Rowe go to CHB once he can build his tank.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:02 pm 
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really like Rowey. fitness may be an issue, but he is a natural footballer with good hands. pleased for him that he's got another year. i don't think we'll see the best of him until then. McInnes adds a lot of stability down back. still not convinced on Watson. lacks speed and intensity. can he add these elements to his game? i have my doubts. like Cachia too. but going forward, i can't see him, McLean and Curnow all in the 22 next year. want to see more involvement from Yarran. can he play midfield? i think we should demand it from him. he coasts thru games far too often. Kreuz, get some bloody mongrel in ya!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:03 pm 
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BIRDTOWN wrote:
Effes wrote:
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I think the knocks on Watson have been a bit harsh. He was alright. We spend so long looking for what's wrong with him we forget to commend what is going right. He played ok.


Ditto Kane Lucas.


The issue is how much are their flaws going to hurt the team into the future Vs what they offer


It's more about if they can improve & overcome those flaws.


That was my original point. Watson is a 20 year old KPP. Not many of them are stars at that stage. He needs to get fitter, he needs to improve his spoiling and second efforts. On the other side, he is an elite kick, big bodied, a reasonable decision maker and young. I hope we invest in his future. At worst he should be a serviceable best 22 footballer.

Lucas needs to improve his tackling, intensity at the ball, keeping his feet and general field kicking. On the positive side he finds the footy, is pretty good above his head and below his knees, can find the goals and impact a game.

Glass is too often half empty in here.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:09 pm 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
BIRDTOWN wrote:
Effes wrote:
camelboy wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
I think the knocks on Watson have been a bit harsh. He was alright. We spend so long looking for what's wrong with him we forget to commend what is going right. He played ok.


Ditto Kane Lucas.


The issue is how much are their flaws going to hurt the team into the future Vs what they offer


It's more about if they can improve & overcome those flaws.


That was my original point. Watson is a 20 year old KPP. Not many of them are stars at that stage. He needs to get fitter, he needs to improve his spoiling and second efforts. On the other side, he is an elite kick, big bodied, a reasonable decision maker and young. I hope we invest in his future. At worst he should be a serviceable best 22 footballer.

Lucas needs to improve his tackling, intensity at the ball, keeping his feet and general field kicking. On the positive side he finds the footy, is pretty good above his head and below his knees, can find the goals and impact a game.

Glass is too often half empty in here.

Too often?!? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:09 pm 
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Just back from the game. First quarter was terrible. Seemed shot for confidence which did grow as the game progressed. Agree with some early posters re one paced midfielders, poor old Brock gets killed on the spread.
Some observations....
Juddy and Simmo were sensational. That pick up on the half volley that led to a goal was awesome!
Just loved the way Simmo goes about the task, totally fearless and never stops running and creating. Liked Lachie up front, great hands, knows where to run and kicks well. Big Sammie Rowe was handy as well.
Chris Yarran - did some good things but doesn't do enough, often enough
Andy Walker all class
Touhey can play - amazing the way he has picked up the game. A real credit to him.
Watson - I was in the forward pocket and watched him closely. Does not relish the contest at all. Lacks real intensity. Did some good spoils and some nice footskills but a couple of times had to impact on the contest and just watched. Hard to know the behind the scenes work but he could be the poster boy for poor development.
Not enough from Murph or Gibbs. Not sure of their roles which can impact on their overall game.
Jeffy G was effective.
Whipping boy Lucas was alright. He didn't hesitate in the contest and took a couple of decent wacks. Will be ok. A work in progress. Keeper.
Eddie made a real impact when he came on and maybe the green vest was what he needed.
Still plenty to work on as St Kilda were poor but loved the win and will be good to take that into next week's game against North.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:14 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
choo wrote:
Pinot thoughts
Milne is therapist.
To Luke Darcy: BUT we've been booing him forever.
Henderson is a smart footballer.
Watso is uninspiring but operated at 100%Sorry by foot
Cachia did well hunting the ball more than usual
Curnow is no good with the ball but he's a killer of ball magnets. Drove Montagna mad.
Yarran will never be what we want him to be. BUT he is what we need him to be.
Tuohy is becoming elite
Carrots is struggling
Scotland was betterScotland was awful before his "injury" Game saving intercept in last quarter. Composed so better
Armfield was channeling me in the first half
Jammo was channeling me in the second half
Murphy works very hard. Murphy gets no credit for his defensive work Jones simply tried to run him ragged tonight and Murphy contiued to work hard.
Lucas confuses me. He's like a hot dumb chick.
Betts needs to play more midfield
McInness is bank interest
Simpson is selfish Simpson kicks the ball out of defence no matter what
Gibbs is NOT an elite kick Gibbs should hurt more with his disposal
Kreuzer is Kreuzer
Walker is our driving force
JUdd
Maclean is stoic
Rowe can catch


what were you watching ?!?!
An unexpected win

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:15 pm 
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fmurphy30 wrote:
BIRDTOWN wrote:
Effes wrote:
camelboy wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
I think the knocks on Watson have been a bit harsh. He was alright. We spend so long looking for what's wrong with him we forget to commend what is going right. He played ok.


Ditto Kane Lucas.


The issue is how much are their flaws going to hurt the team into the future Vs what they offer


It's more about if they can improve & overcome those flaws.


That was my original point. Watson is a 20 year old KPP. Not many of them are stars at that stage. He needs to get fitter, he needs to improve his spoiling and second efforts. On the other side, he is an elite kick, big bodied, a reasonable decision maker and young. I hope we invest in his future. At worst he should be a serviceable best 22 footballer.

Lucas needs to improve his tackling, intensity at the ball, keeping his feet and general field kicking. On the positive side he finds the footy, is pretty good above his head and below his knees, can find the goals and impact a game.

Glass is too often half empty in here.


Well done.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:16 pm 
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Chris Yarran - did some good things but doesn't do enough, often enough


Not sure about that.

Seems to smile a heck of a lot.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:16 pm 
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Geeze, Watson moved like an Iceberg. Surely gone either this year or next.
Was so happy to see two key forwards dominating our forward line again. Its been a while.
Jamo started the year off so well. Don't know what's happened. He's lucky Reiwoldt didn't bring his kicking boots.
Yazz has all the talent in the world, but is so very lazy. No wonder he drives Mick mad!
McInnes is goingto be a little ripper!
Kreuzer needs to grow a pair! Plays too nice, and really should be better then he is right now.
We didn't miss Robbo. Don't see why he should come back into the side to be honest.
Garlett was the invisible man again.
We still turn the ball over too often
Armfield is another guy who is badly out of form
Judd still plays like he's the Captain. Lifted when we needed him the most.
The Tiprat is a total c***! Cant people the big deal they were making about him being booed. Hello BT and Darc, we ve been booing him for 10 bloody years!!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:18 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
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Chris Yarran - did some good things but doesn't do enough, often enough


Not sure about that.

Seems to smile a heck of a lot.


Correct!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:24 pm 
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Effes wrote:
camelboy wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
I think the knocks on Watson have been a bit harsh. He was alright. We spend so long looking for what's wrong with him we forget to commend what is going right. He played ok.


Ditto Kane Lucas.


The issue is how much are their flaws going to hurt the team into the future Vs what they offer


Much the same as most blokes who've played a season or so of footy I guss.

Watson has played less than 15 games and Lucas just over 30. I think they are marked very harshly.

The critics may prove to be correct, but at least give them an honest crack at it and show some understanding if they fail a few tests here and there.

For example, Lucas, who still has a long way to go, has improved a lot this year on the back of the faith Malthouse has shown him. He may never be any more than a good ordinary player, but there's no shame in that.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:25 pm 
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Worry with what's wrong at this club when Sticks said at his pre game that he thought we have the right people in place at the club to turn this around and that there's nothing wrong with the list!!!!!

Go figure - he has to go!!

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:30 pm 
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Worry with what's wrong at this club when Sticks said at his pre game that he thought we have the right people in place at the club to turn this around and that there's nothing wrong with the list!!!!!

Go figure - he has to go!!


Beginning to sound more and more like his mate Big Jack!
Sticks just doesn't want to admit that he and his band of yes men have f**ked up.
They know where Mick stands on all this.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:32 pm 
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camelboy wrote:
Effes wrote:
camelboy wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
I think the knocks on Watson have been a bit harsh. He was alright. We spend so long looking for what's wrong with him we forget to commend what is going right. He played ok.


Ditto Kane Lucas.


The issue is how much are their flaws going to hurt the team into the future Vs what they offer


Much the same as most blokes who've played a season or so of footy I guss.

Watson has played less than 15 games and Lucas just over 30. I think they are marked very harshly.

The critics may prove to be correct, but at least give them an honest crack at it and show some understanding if they fail a few tests here and there.

For example, Lucas, who still has a long way to go, has improved a lot this year on the back of the faith Malthouse has shown him. He may never be any more than a good ordinary player, but there's no shame in that.


Of course they are inexperienced but can you see Watson's agility/pace improving enough to allow him to play on mobile leading forwards? Can you see Lucas' kicking being reliable in finals pressure; he already struggles with it when there is little pressure.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:36 pm 
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Good to finally get another win.
Geez i love Judd, Simmo has been good of late after a poor start to the season.
Rapt for Kruezer, please re-sign Hendo ASAP.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:37 pm 
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..Lucas yes i can see him improving his composure, he already has so why won't he continue..?..

..Watto's never going to be the most nimble, but if he can get a good engine he can play.. ..had good reading of the play, will improve with more senior games.. ..not the sort to get much out of ressies footy, IF he's gonna make it he needs consistent games in the seniors, like last year and the year prior he does get a little bit better with each successive game.. ..only 20, and a kpp with little senior experience.. ..when he gets more sued to the tempo, he'll keep in motion more so wont get caught as flat footed, he'll back himself to initiate contact, to move earlier etc etc.. ..he's no the list now, plenty of us bang on about poor development, he's a product of that, along with any of his own shortcomings... ..agility of course can be improved, not saying he'll be good enough for the circus but he can improve.. ..but he also needs to figure out that for a guy like him under pressure, kicking off the ground is a better option than picking it up..

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:37 pm 
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Dominator_7 wrote:
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Worry with what's wrong at this club when Sticks said at his pre game that he thought we have the right people in place at the club to turn this around and that there's nothing wrong with the list!!!!!

Go figure - he has to go!!


Beginning to sound more and more like his mate Big Jack!
Sticks just doesn't want to admit that he and his band of yes men have f**ked up.
They know where Mick stands on all this.

Thought of this guy when I heard that...

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 13, 2013 11:38 pm 
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I agree with you there Wangers. That was a very strange comment by Sticks regarding the list. Obviously still sticking up for Ratts. We have some very ordinary players and a lot who still hide behind Judd. We would not have won tonight without Juddy.


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